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To: Elsie; boatbums; WVKayaker; aMorePerfectUnion; wmfights; xone; Greetings_Puny_Humans; ...
Circular Argument - See Begging the Question

You mean like arguing in so many words that you cannot have assurance of truth by (even prayerful) reliance upon human reasoning, thus you need the Assuredly Infallible Magisterium (AIM), which we are assured is infallible because it has infallibly declared it is and will be perpetually infallible whenever it speaks in accordance with its infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders its declaration that it is infallible, to be infallible, as well as all else it accordingly declares.

Realizing the circularity of this, and thus of arguing from Scripture to prove that you cannot assuredly know what Scripture is or means except by her, some will argue from Scripture as being a merely historical but reliable document that testifies that Rome is the one true and infallible church, which uniquely and assuredly defines what Scripture (history and tradition) is, and what it means.

And thus they appeal to human reasoning to examine a historically reliable document in order to convince one to forsake relying on human reasoning to examine evidence in order to assuredly determine Truth (and thus this historically reliable document as being Scripture and its true meaning), but to submit to Rome for this.

However, the fallacy here is that if one can recognize Rome as the one true church by examining a historically reliable document, then one can recognize that it teaches that both men and writings of God were recognized and established as being so even without an assuredly infallible magisterium. And that thus the church began in dissent from those stewards of Scripture, following a holy man in the desert who ate insects, and subsequently a Itinerant Preacher who established His truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, as did the early church. And reproving the magisterium from Scripture, it being the the assured Word of God and supreme transcendent standard for obedience and testing and establishing truth claims, as is abundantly evidenced .

This is simply a review for many, but the RC polemical fallacies are often repeated, such as the "Rome [the Catholic Church] gave you the Bible - she knows what it means" argument.

BTW, where did you get your list?

333 posted on 04/07/2014 8:24:14 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

you be halfway!


342 posted on 04/07/2014 10:28:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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