Skip to comments.The False Dichotomy: Moderate Muslims vs. Radicals -- The Qur’an is not open to interpretation.
Posted on 04/04/2014 9:25:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The liberal mainstream media has long portrayed the picture of moderate (good) Muslims versus extremist Muslims. This narrative has been institutionalized in the thinking of Western Muslim scholars who advocate for Islam as well. This has led to the thought that Islam is an ideology and religion of peace, because a majority of Muslims fall in the category of moderate or good Muslims.
If we analyze this dichotomy in-depth, the reality of this phenomenon on the ideology of Islam can become clear. Besides analytical and theoretical frameworks, I will also draw on my own experience growing up in the Muslim world.
We were taught in school that the Qur’an has descended, word for word, from the creator Allah, through Muhammad. This is accepted throughout the entirety of the Islamic word. If we take this speculation as accurate information of Islam, then every Muslim is supposed to follow Allahs verses exactly in order to be a good Muslim and to be considered a representative of the real ideology and religion of Islam.
Secondly, if we take the assumption that the Qur’an is made up of Allahs words as accurate, then Qur’anic verses should be followed for eternity, as long as human beings exist in this universe. No changes are allowed to Allahs rules and words because Allah, as Muslims say, is perfect and his knowledge is absolute, as a result, his words cannot be relative and every word he utters or reveals should apply in any time of human history.
In fact, even Muhammad himself repeatedly said two things a Muslim should follow are the Qur’an (words of Allah) and the Hadith (Muhammads teachings).
Considering this information and based on these standards, a true Muslim, who represent the real Islam, should be the one who follows and obeys Allahs words (from the Qur’an) completely. As a result, anyone who ignores some of the rules is not, and cannot be, considered a reflection of Islam, a good Muslim, or even a Muslim. Accordingly, Allahs words and rules are not a basket of vegetable to choose from, meaning that one cannot obey some orders and disregards others.
In this concept, the whole dichotomy of a good Muslim as opposed to an extremist as portrayed by the mainstream liberal media must be altered. By this definition, real, true, and good Muslims who represent Islam, are people such as Irans Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Ayatollah Khomeini (the founder of Irans political theocracy), Osama Bin Laden, Hassan Nasrullah (the leader of Hezbollah), Ayman Alzawaheri, Hasib Hussein, Mahmoud Ahmadinjead, and the likes, because they follow the Qur’an and Allahs social and legal rules word for word. All these people who committed crimes against humanity will be considered to be the real Muslims, representing the actual ideology of Islam, Qur’an, Allahs words, and Muhammads teachings because they follow the rules of Islam.
To give you a concrete example, I remember when I gave a speech criticizing the underlying philosophy and ideology of Islam and argued that Islam is not a religion of peace, an American-British young Muslim man stood up and responded by harshly interrupting. Some of his points, which echo what other Western Muslims usually state, were that Islam is the religion of peace, millions of Muslims like him do not commit those violent acts, and they represent Islam. I noticed that many non-Muslim Westerners and scholars encountered difficulty when responding to these Muslims when such comments are made.
When he finished, I asked him if he believed that he should beat his wife after she disobeys him one time, two times or three times. He said no. Then I conveyed to him that one cannot be representative of the true philosophy and ideology of Islam, a good or real Muslim if he or she doesnt follow Allahs words stated in Qur’an.
Allah specifically says, ”Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great. (Qur’an 4:34)
A real and good Muslim, who represent the ideology of Islam, would follow Allahs words in Qur’an regarding this specific rule. Therefore, he or other Muslims like him can not introduce themselves as real reflection and representative of Islamic ideology, and speak on behalf of Islam.
This verse is not open to interpretation. It clearly says what a man must do with a disobedient wife. I cannot imagine that this verse can have another meaning than what it exactly states. Many Muslims use the interpretation card to legitimize and defend Islam and call themselves the real reflection of Islamic ideology. Growing up in Islamic societies, I am aware that many Muslims in the West or East have not even read Allahs words in the Qur’an completely, and are not following the real Islam. (A blessing that they have not read it and that they are not following the real Islam!)
The underlying reason for considering people such as Irans Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Ayatollah Khomeini, Osama Bin Laden, Hassan Nasrullah, Ayman Alzawaheri, Hasib Hussein, Mahmoud Ahmadinjead, and others as the real image of Islam is that these people follow Allahs verses and orders word for word. They also have hundreds of thousands of followers who consider them as the true Muslims. If Muhammad was alive, these people would be considered the real spokesperson for Islam, the best, true, and real Muslims for following Allahs rules exactly. So what about other Muslims?
Other Muslims who obey some of the verses and disregard others cannot be called good Muslims, representative of Islamic ideology, or even true followers of Islam, based on the Qur’an and Muhammads teachings. Therefore, they cannot in fact, represent any categories. Every word of Allah should be obeyed.
These people who call themselves the representative of real Islam are in fact a representatives, and reflections, of the socio-political, socio-economic, cultural issues, societal traditions, and some glimpses of Islamic teachings, not the real truth of Islam. Their identity and character is a mixture of these aforementioned qualities rather than the actual ideology of Islam.
This indicates that those Western Muslim scholars who claim that Islam is a religion of peace, and that people like Khamenei, Khomeini, Bin Laden, and the likes, are not true Muslims cannot introduce themselves as representative of real Islam.
Usually, when a terrorist or suicide attacks by a Muslim occurs, a women is raped and forced to marry the rapist, a woman is stoned for having sex with another man (namahram), a woman is beaten for disobeying her husband or father, the Western Muslim scholars who were born, raised, or educated in the West excitedly point out that the majority of Muslims do not conduct these acts and people who carry out these acts are minimal. As a result, they argue that those few people cannot represent Islam.
But the paradox is that those people who commit such inhumane and brutal acts are the the actual Muslims who represent the real Islam because they follow Islam, Allahs words, and Qur’an, Muhammads principles word for word. The rest of Muslims are the ones who do not represent real Islam and its truth. In other words, for Muhammad and Allah, those Muslims who commit such criminal acts will be considered totally good Muslims because they obey the rules stated in Qur’an in full detail.
Muslims argue that Allahs words in Qur’an are open to interpretation. Here some samples of Allahs words, which are not open to any interpretation. A real Muslim, and a representative and reflection of real ideology of Islam should follow and full-heartedly accept these social rules word for word. Otherwise, he or she cannot claim that they represent the truth of the ideology of Islam, Muhammad, and Allah.
Execute those who wage war against Allah and his Messenger:
The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter Qur’an 5:33
Beat Your Wife
If you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if you fear that you shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. Qur’an 4:34
Man can marry four wives
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice. Qur’an 4:3
Men can have sex with captives
“O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” Qur’an 33:50
A man can marry wife of adopted son (It was descended by Allah to Muhammad so he could marry the wife of his adopted son. This verse even raised a lot of criticism at its time)
“Allah has not made for any man two hearts within him; nor has He made your wives whose backs you liken to the backs of your mothers as your mothers, nor has He made those whom you assert to be your sons your real sons; these are the words of your mouths; and Allah speaks the truth and He guides to the way.” 33:4
A women inherits only half as much as man do
“Allah enjoins you concerning your children: The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females; then if they are more than two females, they shall have two-thirds of what the deceased has left, and if there is one, she shall have the half; and as for his parents, each of them shall have the sixth of what he has left if he has a child, but if he has no child and (only) his two parents inherit him, then his mother shall have the third; but if he has brothers, then his mother shall have the sixth after (the payment of) a bequest he may have bequeathed or a debt; your parents and your children, you know not which of them is the nearer to you in usefulness; this is an ordinance from Allah: Surely Allah is Knowing, Wise.” Qur’an 4: 11
Fight with those who do not believe in Islam
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Messenger have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.” Qur’an 9:29
Witness testimony of a woman is half of that of a man in the court
“O you who believe! when you deal with each other in contracting a debt for a fixed time, then write it down; and let a scribe write it down between you with fairness; and the scribe should not refuse to write as Allah has taught him, so he should write; and let him who owes the debt dictate, and he should be careful of (his duty to) Allah, his Lord, and not diminish anything from it; but if he who owes the debt is unsound in understanding, or weak, or (if) he is not able to dictate himself, let his guardian dictate with fairness; and call in to witness from among your men two witnesses; but if there are not two men, then one man and two women from among those whom you choose to be witnesses, so that if one of the two errs, the second of the two may remind the other; and the witnesses should not refuse when they are summoned; and be not averse to writing it (whether it is) small or large, with the time of its falling due; this is more equitable in the sight of Allah and assures greater accuracy in testimony, and the nearest (way) that you may not entertain doubts (afterwards), except when it is ready merchandise which you give and take among yourselves from hand to hand, then there is no blame on you in not writing it down; and have witnesses when you barter with one another, and let no harm be done to the scribe or to the witness; and if you do (it) then surely it will be a transgression in you, and be careful of (your duty) to Allah, Allah teaches you, and Allah knows all things.” Qur’an 2:282
A man can marry a girl who reached puberty age or has not reached yet. ( As Muhammad married Ayesha before puberty age)
“Such of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the prescribed period, if ye have any doubts, is three months, and for those who have no courses (it is the same): for those who carry (life within their wombs), their period is until they deliver their burdens: and for those who fear Allah, He will make their path easy.” Qur’an 65:4
These are only a few examples of Allahs words, which are not open to interpretation by the definition of the religion and explicitly set the eternal and indefinite rules.
In sum, my argument is that those real and good Muslims and representatives of the philosophy of the religion are those who follow Qur’an, Allahs words. If they do not agree with some of these rules and do not wholly follow them, they are not good Muslims and they cannot represent the real truth of Islam. In fact, based on Muhammads teachings and the Qur’an, if a person does not believe in one of the previous verses or any of Allahs words, he cannot call himself a Muslim.
And finally, as long as the ideology of Islam, as long as the Qur’an exists and is considered to be the words of Allah, people like Osama Bin Laden will resurface in human history and ideology of Islam, Allahs words in Qur’an will create such criminals, real and good Muslims, who represent the true ideology and philosophy of Islam.
It’s all about my Sig.
Throw in the term Patriarchal-Oligarchy somewhere in there.
There only two types of Muslims, terrorists and terrorists in waiting. As soon as they have enough of their Mosques in place we will find this out.
Thank you. Interesting.
I really don’t care if there are only 10% of Muslims who can be considered “radicals” who believe in the strict interpretation of the Qur’an. If I remember correctly, there are approximately 1 BILLION Muslims.
That means about 100 million people I’ve never met want to kill or enslave me.
These people are at war with the rest of the world because their religion, unlike the other major religions of the world is based upon religious domination or conversion of the rest of the world’s population.
They fall back on the old excuse of the Christian attempt to retake the Holy Land a thousand years ago in order to retrieve some religious freedom for the region as a validation of their modern jihad. Get over it.
Eventually the jihad chicken will come home to roost and backfire on even those Muslims who have not taken up the sword.
If you believe in a supernatural being, and believe there is a reward for following God's wishes and a punishment for not following God's wishes, most people will opt to follow the instructions from their God.
Unfortunately for us Infidels, the Muslim's God doesn't like us, and we will always suffer persecution from fundamental Muslims.- Tom
This is very interesting in a way that i had not thought of before and i agree.
So actually the Muslims who go by the word are the bad ones, which i agree would be, but how about Christians, does that also fit them?
I realize the thread is not about Christians but this looks like a place to make a good point.
God said to keep the seventh day holy and that it was a day of rest and that it is ever lasting.
But the Christian Church said no, lets keep the first day of the week in its place.
Jesus said call no man on earth father for there is only one father which is God.
But the Church has more men called father than you can shake a stick at.
These are only two examples out of many but are so plain that a grade schooler should be able to understand them.
So are the Christians who try to do as God said also the bad guys?
I'm okay with the first type, but not the second.
Islam is a completely evil, mind corrupting system, and there is no reason to trust any Muslim anymore than we would trust people who identify themselves as Satanists or Nazis.
Find a Bible-believing church and ask the pastor those questions.
Find a Bible-believing church and ask the pastor those questions.
Islam is not a religion. It is a socio-political system masquerading as a religion.
Islam is not a religion. It is a socio-political system masquerading as a religion.>>>>>
Could be but religion is masquerading as faith.
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