Homosexuality promoted through Catholic Charities [vanity]

[Faith Presses On]

Something I was reminded of when I heard about World Vision deciding to hire those in "gay marriages" is how Catholic Charities has long promoted homosexuality. I know this because when I was living as a lesbian 15 to 20 years ago, I went to Catholic Charities several times for counsleing, and I found that the counseling was purely secular. When I went with a "partner," our lifestyle was embraced by the counselor. When I went to a couple other counselors myself later on, I was beginning to have doubts about this life, but one counselor even tried to encourage me to accept homosexuality. She said she had many homosexual friends, and these gay friends affectionately called their straight friends "breeders," but beyond that difference all relationships are the same.

It's troubled me for a long time that the Catholic Church raises money for Catholic Charities, and it goes for psychological counseling, which only makes one conform to the ways of the world.

[fatima]

“I would encourage my fellow Catholic FReepers to think hard before supporting these quasi-government agencies through second collections or mail-based fundraising drives. “
Amen,Throw the envelope out.We do a little non-profit homeless interfaith group and a few small Catholic groups that are local.

[redleghunter]

Thanks for the information. Wow, amazing what happens when an organization takes secular government dollars. They become like them!

Then on another thread we have a Protestant/Evangelical relief agency voluntarily hiring same sex “couples” because some of their supporters (read donors) don't “condemn” such practices (read sin). So the spirit of anti-christ abounds everywhere and knows no church or denominational boundaries.

The only “good news” story from that piece was the overwhelming rebukes from prominent Protestant and Evangelical pastors and theologians.

[tioga]

This is really no surprise. There are many Catholics like Nancy Pelosi and her ilk, that undermine real Catholic teaching. Happens all the time.

[fatima]

Thanks BlatherNaut,I didn’t know that about the adoptions.

[MikeyB806]

I never heard of Catholic Charities doing counseling. You should have gone to a Church if you needed counseling about your lesbianism. In any case, I would hope that any Catholic would embrace you and try to help you with whatever struggles you are having, with sexuality or otherwise.

A real Catholic priest would help you but not encourage the behavior associated with your sexual attraction (unless, perhaps, it was a temporary measure to talk you off the ledge, as it were)

[Elsie]

I'd be interested in your route OUT of the lifestyle; but let me be content, for now, with showing folks what the BIBLE has to say about it:

Genesis 13:13

Now the men of Sodom were wicked and were sinning greatly against the LORD.

Genesis 18:20-21
20. Then the LORD said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous
21. that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."

Genesis 19:4-7
4. Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom--both young and old--surrounded the house.
5. They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6. Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him
7. and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing.

Psalms 12:8 The wicked freely strut about when what is vile is honored among men.

Isaiah 3:9 The look on their faces testifies against them; they parade their sin like Sodom; they do not hide it. Woe to them! They have brought disaster upon themselves.

2 Peter 2:13b Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

Ezekiel 16:49-50
49. "`Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.
50. They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

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2 Peter 2

1. But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them--bringing swift destruction on themselves.
2. Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute.
3. In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
4. For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment;
5. if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others;
6. if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;
7. and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the filthy lives of lawless men
8. (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard)--
9. if this is so, then the Lord knows how to rescue godly men from trials and to hold the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment.
10. This is especially true of those who follow the corrupt desire of the sinful nature and despise authority. Bold and arrogant, these men are not afraid to slander celestial beings;
11. yet even angels, although they are stronger and more powerful, do not bring slanderous accusations against such beings in the presence of the Lord.
12. But these men blaspheme in matters they do not understand. They are like brute beasts, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beasts they too will perish.
13. They will be paid back with harm for the harm they have done. Their idea of pleasure is to carouse in broad daylight. They are blots and blemishes, reveling in their pleasures while they feast with you.

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But there IS hope!!!

1 Corinthians 6:9-11

9. Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived:
Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
10. nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
11. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

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If you could NOT change, you would be in most pitiful shape...
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Health Risks of gay sex.

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[Elsie]

Apparently that’s what this post is — Catholic bashing of the worst kind.

Then let me be the one to bash in a gentler manner...

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Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.^[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.^[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.^[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony^[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

[Elsie]

Human institutions will always have their bad apples.

Evidently.

But it makes me wonder... Who votes these bad apples into power?

[Elsie]

Methinks if someone has went to the Salvation Army and was treated the exact same way the story would not have posted. Another day, another Catholic-bashing on FR.

Meknows that making up strawmen are some peoples favorite pastime.

Another thread; another excusing of Catholic bad behavior.

[NKP_Vet]

So the resident Catholic basher weighs in. Where’s your partner in bashing? No names necessary.

[Elsie]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/07/29/pope-francis-gays_n_3669635.html

[Elsie]

Taking a break.

Perhaps we should call narses to bring us some cereal...

[boatbums]

Thank you for your input. I agree completely that ALL religious organizations (churches, schools, community aid, etc.) are actually harmed by accepting government funds. The reasons churches are disallowed from advising their membership on how and who they should vote is because of the threat of removal of tax exempt status. If we look back to the first century, Peter was given a miracle in order to meet the taxes they had to pay (Matthew 17:27). Government basically hamstrings church leaders from promoting sound and Biblical secular candidates. I say, pay the taxes, do what is right and God WILL honor and provide.

The Bible college I attended refused to be accredited by the state because, to do so, they would have to agree to their restrictions and mandates. I think it was a wise decision and maybe this whole state-funded charities trap should be readdressed by churches.

[boatbums]

Methinks if someone has went to the Salvation Army and was treated the exact same way the story would not have posted. Another day, another Catholic-bashing on FR.

Ummm...shouldn't that be "Ithinks", Miss Chambers? ;o)

The thing is, Vet, this wasn't a hypothetical but a genuine experience. This hair-trigger response to anything even remotely negative about the Roman Catholic religion as "bashing" needs to be desensitized if y'all expect to participate on these forum threads. Otherwise, like Chicken Little or the boy who cried wolf, your complaints will be ignored - even if and when REAL bashing occurs (which is rare, truth be told).

[NKP_Vet]

Most Catholic Charities do not give advise on how to be a good little homosexual. You know it and I know it. And if the story had involved a protestant charity it would not have been posted. No link or anything, just a poster telling FR what they allegedly witnessed at a Catholic charity. Same crap, different day.

[markomalley]

In Massachusetts, they facilitated thirteen adoptions by homosexual couples before they were exposed.

Thanks. I did not know that.

[markomalley]

Perhaps we should call narses to bring us some cereal...

That is the most supremely ironic comment I've ever read on FR...especially coming from the queen of sectarian FR spam.

BTW, before you think that I am excusing this conduct from Catholic Charities, please review post #32 on this thread.

[NKP_Vet]

I believe no one’s personal story to try and get someone else stirred up. No link, no nothing. End of subject.

[Faith Presses On]

I just arrived home from work, and have seen that some are asking for evidence. So while I don't have much time now, I can quickly do that: I'm from Buffalo, NY, now residing in "the Bible belt," though. I'm on my phone so links aren't very easy to provide, but see Catholic Charities of Buffalo. Note they have counseling services, and if you go to employment, you'll see openings for counselors. They are strictly state-licensed secular counselors. To not support homosexuality like it's a reflex would cost them their jobs and licenses since homosexuality is "not an illness" but something to be embraced.

[markomalley]

NKT_Vet,

I would add to the comments made by boatbums...

I necessarily believe that personal account...or deny it...for all I know, Faith Presses On is some 26 year old zit faced boy sitting in his mother's basement surrounded by empty bottles of Mountain Dew and half-eaten Domino's Pizza boxes. It doesn't really matter. The account doesn't strain credulity in any way.

Benedict XVI, back in 2012, issued a Motu Proprio, Intima Ecclesiae natura, in a specific effort to address some of the very issues that Faith Presses On talked about in her post.

In this Motu Proprio, Benedict XVI imposed the following norms:

Art. 7. - § 1. The agencies referred to in Article 1 § 1 are required to select their personnel from among persons who share, or at least respect, the Catholic identity of these works.

§ 2. To ensure an evangelical witness in the service of charity, the diocesan Bishop is to take care that those who work in the Church’s charitable apostolate, along with due professional competence, give an example of Christian life and witness to a formation of heart which testifies to a faith working through charity. To this end, he is also to provide for their theological and pastoral formation, through specific curricula agreed upon by the officers of various agencies and through suitable aids to the spiritual life.

Whether or not you believe the account in the OP, think about what happened with Catholic Charities of Southern Illinois...the employees were more than happy to move to a secular function when the bishops decided to close down the adoption function because of the state's rule mandating sodomite adoptions. If the employees are perfectly OK supporting that, how strong can they possibly be in their belief in the teachings of the Church???

(snip)

Art. 10. - § 1. It is the responsibility of the Bishop to supervise the ecclesiastical goods of the charitable agencies subject to his authority.

(snip)

§ 3. In particular, the diocesan Bishop is to ensure that charitable agencies dependent upon him do not receive financial support from groups or institutions that pursue ends contrary to Church’s teaching. Similarly, lest scandal be given to the faithful, the diocesan Bishop is to ensure that these charitable agencies do not accept contributions for initiatives whose ends, or the means used to pursue them, are not in conformity with the Church’s teaching.

(snip)

Particularly in the last five-½ years, can any reasonable person doubt that the US government is the enemy of all Christians, particularly Catholics? Yet you can see yourself from the data I posted in #32 that there are plenty of Catholic social service agencies that gladly take money from that very self-same government. That government that definitely pursue(s) ends contrary to Church’s teaching -- how can they do that in light of the Holy Father's directives?

Art. 11. – The diocesan Bishop is obliged, if necessary, to make known to the faithful the fact that the activity of a particular charitable agency is no longer being carried out in conformity with the Church’s teaching, and then to prohibit that agency from using the name “Catholic” and to take the necessary measures should personal responsibilities emerge.

How many diocesan bishops even consider this information? How many of them carefully examine their local Catholic social services efforts to ensure that they are in full compliance? Or do they, like they did in Boston, have to get hit across the head with a 2×4 in order to see the obvious?

Look, why would the Holy Father issue the above directions in the form of a Motu Proprio if there wasn't an issue with Catholic social service efforts?

It doesn't really matter whether Faith Presses On's story is factual or not. Fact of the matter is that there are issues with Catholic Charities. Playing the Ostrich won't solve those issues.