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To: SeekAndFind
First, there seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the office of Pope. No Pope can change doctrine; the entire structure of the office aims to preserve and defend doctrine. Anyone looking for changes of “doctrinal substance” from any pontificate is doomed to disappointment, including ill-informed Catholics.

Damon claims to represent “the argument in its entirety,” but he’s in error. The argument offered is one of the points in defense of the doctrine of ordination, but it’s not even the main argument. He then demands a Scriptural reference, which hints at a sola scriptura approach, a theological position which of course the Catholic Church rejects anyway. The truth is more complicated, and requires people to understand the nature of the Mass and the priest’s role within it. This could fill books (and has — I’d recommend Coming Soon or The Lamb’s Supper), but I’ll offer a relatively brief explanation.

Two points:

1) I thought the pope could speak ex cathedra and that established new doctrine belief as he did regarding Mary

2)Actually the answer can be found sola scriptura....as all answers to these type of questions.

11 posted on 03/24/2014 3:11:11 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: ealgeone

Quick answers to your two points.

1) The Pope can’t and you’re wrong about Mary

2) sola scriptura isn’t taught in the bible


16 posted on 03/24/2014 3:17:46 PM PDT by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: ealgeone

He did not establish new doctrine belief in Mary - that doctrine was held from I believe the first council in 325 AD.

He just made it dogma so if you didn’t accept it you were excommunicated.

Big difference he invented nothing, just reinforced it.

AMDG


28 posted on 03/24/2014 4:43:32 PM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Ad Majoram Dei Gloriam = FOR THE GREATER GLORY OF GOD)
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In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Will ordination doctrine drive a “mass exodus of the faithful” from the Catholic Church?, ealgeone wrote:

Two points:

1) I thought the pope could speak ex cathedra and that established new doctrine belief as he did regarding Mary

2)Actually the answer can be found sola scriptura....as all answers to these type of questions.


40 posted on 03/24/2014 5:54:13 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: ealgeone
I thought the pope could speak ex cathedra and that established new doctrine belief as he did regarding Mary

He can speak ex cathedra. He can't contradict anything that was taught at a dogmatic level before. The impossibility of ordaining women has been taught infallibly, and is also part of the praxis of the church from the earliest time.

60 posted on 03/25/2014 4:26:20 PM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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