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To: PhilipFreneau
Perhaps your missing something?

Deuteronomy 18:1 The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and his inheritance.

Numbers 18:24 For the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer up as a heave offering to the Lord, I have given to the Levites as an inheritance; therefore I have said to them, 'Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.'

Joshua 13:14 Only unto the tribe of Levi he gave none inheritance; the sacrifices of the LORD God of Israel made by fire are their inheritance, as he said unto them.

Joshua 18:6 You shall describe the land in seven divisions, and bring the description here to me. I will cast lots for you here before the LORD our God. 7 For the Levites have no portion among you, because the priesthood of the LORD is their inheritance. Gad and Reuben and the half-tribe of Manasseh also have received their inheritance eastward beyond the Jordan, which Moses the servant of the LORD gave them.

Now the Levites did need somewhere to live so there was land and cities allotted to them but they did not own or inherit the land.

Joshua 21:1 Then came near the heads of the fathers of the Levites unto Eleazar the priest, and unto Joshua the son of Nun, and unto the heads of the fathers of the tribes of the children of Israel; 2 And they spake unto them at Shiloh in the land of Canaan, saying, The Lord commanded by the hand of Moses to give us cities to dwell in, with the suburbs thereof for our cattle. 3 And the children of Israel gave unto the Levites out of their inheritance, at the commandment of the Lord, these cities and their suburbs.

It gets rather tedious trying to discuss scripture with you when it’s obvious you know so little about it.

>> Except when it is 13 or 14, as is the case in Ezekiel, when Levi and the sons of Zadok are included.<<

What? You don’t have a number 12 when you count to 14?

>> What about the verses just before those, Cynical?<<

Ezekiel 34 doesn’t say that David is King. It says he is the King’s servant. And NO it can’t be Cyrus.

Ezekiel 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.

I’m not going to spend time to explain it all but I will simply send you to here to begin to understand if you care to know truth.

And NO it’s not “spiritualizing to believe that it’s David. Before the millennium the saved will be given new bodies and will reign with Christ.

Like I’ve said before, take your head out of those Preterist books and sites and you may learn something of scripture truth.

301 posted on 03/29/2014 3:10:12 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
>>>Perhaps your missing something?<<<

>>>Deuteronomy 18:1 The priests the Levites, and all the tribe of Levi, shall have no part nor inheritance with Israel: they shall eat the offerings of the LORD made by fire, and his inheritance.<<<

>>>It gets rather tedious trying to discuss scripture with you when it’s obvious you know so little about it.<<<

I was being cynical, Cynical. But I see it gave you a temporary reprieve from attempts to spiritualize a solution to how the tribe of Dan received land in Ezekiel 48, when there is no tribe of Dan mentioned among the tribes in Revelation 7, nor anywhere else in the New Testament. You can't explain it, because the prophecy of Ezekiel 47-48 was about the return from Babylon. I see you left your spiritualized interpretation for those verses out of this post. Maybe later.

I also mentioned earlier that the tribe of Levi is listed as one of the twelve in the Revelation, but not in Ezekiel. There are some substantial discrepancies that will require much spritualization to remedy. But this is why I posted the part about the Levites, the part that was so tedious you failed to see this:

"It shall be for the priests that are sanctified of the sons of Zadok; which have kept my charge, which went not astray when the children of Israel went astray, as the Levites went astray." (Eze 48:11 KJV)

Please explain how that would still be an issue 2500+ years in the future.


>>>Ezekiel 34:23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.<<<

>>>Ezekiel 34 doesn’t say that David is King. It says he is the King’s servant. And NO it can’t be Cyrus.<<<

This is that verse in context:

"Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle. And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd. And I the Lord will be their God, and my servant David a prince among them; I the Lord have spoken it. And I will make with them a covenant of peace, and will cause the evil beasts to cease out of the land: and they shall dwell safely in the wilderness, and sleep in the woods." (Eze 34:22-25 KJV)

That passage does not say David is King, but this one does:

"And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore." (Eze 37:24-26 KJV)

David is mentioned in both, as a servant of the Lord, and as a King or prince; but he is also their shepherd, similar to Cyrus. But wait, there is more! David is a prince for ever; and the new covenant is labeled a "covenant of peace." Is this David the prince of peace that is referenced in Isaiah 9:6? You remember him: the "Everlasting Father?"


Earlier we were also discussing Hosea 3:4-5 where it says David would be the King.

"Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the Lord their God, and David their king; and shall fear the Lord and his goodness in the latter days." (Hos 3:5 KJV)

Wasn't Hosea 3 referring to the return from Babylon? The reason I mentioned that is that passaged is because later it refers to the punishment of Judah and Ephraim; and even later, the new covenant that was mentioned in the two aforementioned Ezekiel passages.

So which is it? Is David the King and shepherd, or is Christ? And if David serves the king (who is Christ,) then why is he mentioned as a stand-alone in all those passages, across several books.


>>>I’m not going to spend time to explain it all but I will simply send you to here to begin to understand if you care to know truth. <<<

Well, I read it; and the author provided no clarification of the dispensational position, whatsoever, other than a lesson on how to spiritualize the scriptures. This is how he explains David as king:

"Jer. 30:9, “But they shall serve Jehovah their Elohim, and David their king whom I will raise up unto them”. This verse clearly states that David will be king and that Israel will serve him as well as Christ."

That chapter, Jeremiah 30, was referring primarily to the return from Babylonian captivity; for example:

"Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the Lord; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid. For I am with thee, saith the Lord, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet I will not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished." (Jer 30:10-11 KJV)

"Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof." (Jer 30:18 KJV)

Does that sound like Jerusalem today? No, that was the Lord talking about the decree to rebuild Jerusalem after the return from Babylon. David was most likely Cyrus, the servant of the Lord; but he could have been Christ. The reason he might be Christ is because of this verse found in the continuation chapter 31:

"Thus saith the Lord; A voice was heard in Ramah, lamentation, and bitter weeping; Rahel weeping for her children refused to be comforted for her children, because they were not." (Jer 31:15 KJV)

That prophecy was fulfilled in Matthew 2:18 when Herod killed all the children age two and under, in an attempt to kill the baby Jesus. And there was this:

"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:" (Jer 31:31 KJV)

That new covenant: the "covenant of peace" in Ezekiel, is the new testament for which Christ shed his blood. Therefore, the continuation chapter 31 refers to the birth and death of Christ. The obvious fulfillment of the "return from captivity" would be the return from Babylon under Cyrus.


Let's dig deeper. Where does it say that David and Christ will "reign" together? No where that I am aware of. The only ones specifically named to reign with Christ are the disciples. Remember these promises?

"And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Mat 19:28 KJV)

"And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel." (Luke 22:29-30 KJV)

How does David fit in? And do you think the disciples are not kings? Remember this guy?

"John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen." (Rev 1:4-6 KJV)

How about these guys:

"And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth." (Rev 5:8-10 KJV)

That makes between 28 and 36 kings, so far, depending on whether the disciples are part of the other group, or not. But there are more. Recall the first resurrection in Revelation 20:

"Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years." (Rev 20:6 KJV)

Why does David get all the ink about being a future king in the old testament, and absolutely none in the new testament? Don't you think that is a bit odd?


>>>And NO it’s not “spiritualizing to believe that it’s David. Before the millennium the saved will be given new bodies and will reign with Christ. <<<

One would think that Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Hosea would at least mention some of those other people that reign with Christ, instead of merely David as King, standing alone. And one would also think that if David was selected to reign with Christ, the prophets would say, at least once, that David would reign with Christ.


>>>Like I’ve said before, take your head out of those Preterist books and sites and you may learn something of scripture truth.<<<

I am reasonably certain at this time that I will learn no truth from you.

BTW, the author of your link also wrote this:

"Let us first establish as Scriptural truth that Christ will rule in the millennium, and then we will examine those scriptures which concern David’s role during the millennial reign."

Most are aware that Christ reigns forever, which includes the so-called "millennium." But the author never establishes that Christ will physically reign on earth during the millennium. The reason he did not is because he can't. The notion that Christ will physically reign on earth was created by spiritualizing the scriptures, which is what you do on a regular basis, Cynical Bear.

Philip

304 posted on 03/29/2014 7:20:31 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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