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To: PhilipFreneau
>>I don’t recall claiming I have done any good works, at all;<<

Quote from you: “we are most definitely judged according to our works”.

Quote from you: “We are judged by works.”

Quote from you: “We all get judged for our individual works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.”

Now tell me something. If it’s Jesus working through us rather than we doing the works why would we be judged for what Jesus does? The only way a person can make the statement “We will all get judged for our individual works” is if he thinks it’s him who is doing them rather than giving Jesus credit.

>>By the way, are you a saint?<<

Yes, I am. Paul called all believers saints.

The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.”

Acts 9:13 But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he has done to your saints at Jerusalem.

Acts 9:32 Now as Peter went here and there among them all, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda.

Acts 26:10 And I did so in Jerusalem. I not only locked up many of the saints in prison after receiving authority from the chief priests, but when they were put to death I cast my vote against them.

Romans 12:13 Distributing to the necessity of saints; given to hospitality.

Romans 15:25 But now I go unto Jerusalem to minister unto the saints.

Romans 16:15 Salute Philologus, and Julia, Nereus, and his sister, and Olympas, and all the saints which are with them.

Ephesians 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus.

Put away those Preterist glasses and scripture will become more clear to you.

254 posted on 03/26/2014 8:00:36 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear
>>>Now tell me something. If it’s Jesus working through us rather than we doing the works why would we be judged for what Jesus does?<<<

Because He said we would be judged according to our works? (as in, "Because you told me to, Drill Sergeant?") Well, in one case, he said every man would be rewarded according to his works; and in another he said his reward would be to give every man according as his work shall be.

>>>The only way a person can make the statement “We will all get judged for our individual works” is if he thinks it’s him who is doing them rather than giving Jesus credit.<<<

That is only in the mind of the dispensationalist; well, there may be others.

>>>Yes, I am. Paul called all believers saints.<<<

Well, I'll be? Saint Cynical! Has a nice ring to it.

I am a believer, but I am not a saint. And I don't recall seeing anywhere in the scriptures that all believers are saints.

Of course I don't know everything, like, say, a saint. Could you point out the verse(s) for me that shows all believers are saints?

>>>The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.”<<<

So, you are holy, sacred and pious, as well? Is it alright if I shorten that to Holy Saint Cynical? I am not implying you are not sacred and pious; but it is a rather long title. Do you saints call each other "saint" at Church, like the early Christians did when they weren't dodging stones?

>>>Put away those Preterist glasses and scripture will become more clear to you.<<<

Okay, I put them away (I had to borrow a pair, first, so bear with me.) Where in the scripture does it say all believers are saints? It certainly does not say that all believers are saints in any of the verses you quoted.

By the way, what does this verse mean?

"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." (Jude 1:3 KJV)

It certainly seems that the faith of the saints was a thing of the past when Jude wrote the epistle. If that is true, then how could any Christian from the days of Jude's epistle, forward, be a saint?

Philip

255 posted on 03/26/2014 9:18:30 PM PDT by PhilipFreneau
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