SERIOUS QUESTION: DO CATHOLICS REALLY BELIEVE THIS ABOUT MARY??

St Charles Barromeo Catholic Church ^ | 03-19-14 | ealgeone

[Elsie]

How things REALLY work in a LOT of FR threads...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Springfield Reformer]

This thread is meant to cause controversy and hate amongst Christian believers and also an avenue for atheists, Catholic haters and others to mock the beliefs of others. I can only warn others to avoid commentary... you WILL BE MOCKED and your comments deleted if considered inappropriate.

I don't know any of Catholic haters on these RF threads. What I do know is that Protestants here are routinely defamed in many ways. You have just provided one example. It doesn't help to play the victim card in these debates. It's pitiful poor argumentation.

If a case can be made for your side, then by golly make it, and make it good. Make the other guy sweat with your sharp logic and exquisite control of the facts. But don't expect us to back down when you play the pity card (aka Argumentum ad Misericordiam for those interested in the formal name of the logical fallacy).

Put another way, accusing Protestants of either systematically lying about or persecuting or hating Catholics is simply defamation aimed at suppressing an objective discussion of the facts. This thread, and the discussion it has provoked, could even be motivated by love, a desire to see people live free from burdensome falsehoods, but broad-brushing either party as intentionally stirring up hatred, with no basis in fact, is just deflection by defamation.

What I think in part is happening here is fear that stems from an undue reliance on human instrumentality in the things of God. The Apostle Paul indicated that heretical divisions among believers was impossible to avoid:

1Corinthians 11:19 For there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognized among you.

But in that same passage he offers us hope that such disputes have a rational purpose in the plan of God, to expose "those who are approved." Because truth has a way of winning out over any falsehood. If you truly trust God, you will also trust Him with these debates, that His purpose will be accomplished, that the lurkers He sends here will find that word of encouragement to find and believe the truth they have been seeking.

[af_vet_1981]

Then why didn't the Catholic church change her title to *Mary, mother of God with us* instead of *Mary, mother of God*, which does not say the same thing? Oh! Wait a minute. The HOLY SPIRIT did it before the Catholic church ever thought of it. Imagine that.......

Did you truly mean to write that "God" is the not the same as "God with us" ? You asked for the Scripture saying that Mary is the mother of God. I provided it. Perhaps it is the concept of motherhood that is confusing you. Mary, by being a mother, did not create God. She was the vessel by which He entered this world as unity of God and man. All his human genetic makeup came from her. You cannot separate his humanity and divinity. That was the Nestorian heresy. If it offends your conscience to call her "mother of God" then call her "mother of Jesus" and leave those whose consciences are not offended in peace, as it is written, Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

The Scriptures show
1. Mary is the mother of Jesus.
2. Jesus is Emmanuel.
3. Mary is the mother of Emmanuel.
4. Emmanuel is God with us.
5. God with us is the same God.
6. Mary is the mother of God with us.
7. Mary is the mother of God.

• Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God; ask it either in the depth, or in the height above. But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the Lord And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also? Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
• Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a public example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.