Posted on 03/19/2014 1:32:10 PM PDT by rwa265
Apparently literacy is not a strong suit for some protestants if you don’t know what the rest of the quote is. You see I do know what the ENTIRE quote is.
DO YOU? I am betting not.
dear metmom
BTW He did not say “daily bread”
He said “epi-ousios bread” which does not mean “daily”
see what Strong’s says:
epioúsios (from 1909 /epí, “upon, fitting” and 3776 /ousía, “being, substance”)
http://biblehub.com/greek/1967.htm
AMDG
Bongars, Gesta Dei per Francos, 1, pp. 382 f., trans in Oliver J. Thatcher, and Edgar Holmes McNeal, eds., A Source Book for Medieval History, (New York: Scribners, 1905), 513-17
well seeing how none of us were there, we're having to go with what others have reported.
how do you know your sources are accurate?
Matthew 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins,(then saith he to the sick of the palsy) arise take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Mar 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mar 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
Mar 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?
Luk 5:20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
Luk 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
Luk 5:22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?
Luk 5:23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?
Luk 5:24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.
the verse you are referring to is in regards to healing of someone who is sick.
Is anyone among you in trouble? Let them pray. Is anyone happy? Let them sing songs of praise.
14Is anyone among you sick? Let them call the elders of the church to pray over them and anoint them with oil in the name of the Lord.
15And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise them up. If they have sinned, they will be forgiven.
16Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person is powerful and effective.
gotta keep things in their proper context.
confessing your sins to God is a protestant twisting of Scripture
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So are you saying that the LORD’s Prayer is not in the Vulgate or the Jerusalem Bible ???
Nor in any Bible in Latin before Jacques LeFevre translated the Bible into French in 1523 ???
confessing your sins to God is a protestant twisting of Scripture
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Of course the Catholics never twisted scripture......
The discussion was about confessing our sins directly to the Father, not about daily bread.
So try to stay on topic.
So did Jesus teach wrong then, when He told us to pray to God and ask GOD to forgive us our sins?
What did I quote that you are demanding the rest of?
I followed the conversation back by hitting the button to the post the reply was to and the only thing I came up with was where you told me (Post 273) to finish the quote that was in post 247 where I posted “GMTA”.
GMTA = Great minds think alike.
Certainly in the Lord's Prayer.
Psalm 32:5 I acknowledged my sin to you, and I did not cover my iniquity; I said, “I will confess my transgressions to the Lord,” and you forgave the iniquity of my sin.
Psalm 51:1-2 Have mercy on me, O God, according to your steadfast love; according to your abundant mercy blot out my transgressions. Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin!
Don’t forget invading a people to put them under the Vatican boot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laudabiliter
Absolutely in-credible. You reprove the saints for doing so, who confessed both their own sins and that of others!
And whiles I was speaking, and praying, and confessing my sin and the sin of my people Israel, and presenting my supplication before the Lord my God for the holy mountain of my God; (Daniel 9:20)
I acknowledged my sin unto thee, and mine iniquity have I not hid. I said, I will confess my transgressions unto the Lord; and thou forgavest the iniquity of my sin. Selah. (Psalms 32:5)
I said, Lord, be merciful unto me: heal my soul; for I have sinned against thee. (Psalms 41:4)
And the Lord Himself, who taught believers to ask God directly for forgiveness in teaching how to pray:
And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil. (Luke 11:4)
And Peter, who told a deceitful man to pray to God himself if perhaps God would forgive him:
Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. (Acts 8:22)
You can no more deny confessing your sins to God then you can confessing your sins to others, or that they may intercede on his behalf, or otherwise praying for mercy:
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (James 5:16)
If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. (1 John 5:16)
>>I have to hand it to you, though. You are all-in for your church. :)<<
Yep all in with a pair of twos.
And we have this as well:
Luke 18:10-14 KJV
Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
None of your quotes states a bishop, elder priest or church official must hear your confessions. The Didache says confess them but leaves out to whom/Whom.
So wondering where the twisting is going on.
Yes! I was thinking of that one, too, but it slipped my mind when I was ready to post it.
GMTA is the beginning of the quote a literate person would know that it ends with AFSD or BFSD they are often shortened to FSD.
I quoted all I wanted and all I needed.
Because the rest shows your error. Have you figured out the rest of it yet?
I would tell you but you would just tell me I’m wrong so I’m skipping all the intermediate steps.
If you read the whole of the Didache and the apostolic Church Fathers you would know to a certainty.
But you will not take the time to remove your vincible ignorance by actually reading what was written.
So we can both save our breath.
AMDG
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