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To: imardmd1
Simply because I showed you a little later on that at that period of time, the Israelites were no longer obeying Jehovah and His judgments, but were judging according to their own lights. Deborah was both judging and prophesying, taking up authority that was not hers. Many years later on Huldah also was a prophetess, dwelling in the college at Jerusalem, also at another time when no one even knew where a copy of the Scriptures was, let alone follow it. These were not "prophtesses" appointed by God. Their statuses was only mentioned, not recommended.

God set up HIS government by placing Godly judges. And Deborah did not usurp authority. God put her in charge. Why does this bite you? It is Written in Judges 5:4 .... And the land had rest forty years. Don't be badmouthing Deborah, she served God.

I don't "preach" this, but the Scripture does show how she promptedd her favorite son Jacob, to deceive her husband Isaac regarding the primogeniture of his favorite son Esau, and though succeeding, was punished by never being allowed to see her son in this life again. Is that what you mean by being deceptive? You might want to read that Genesis passage through again. And Rebekah's nurse was not the Deborah of Judges, which was hundreds of years later. But what has this to do with our topic?

Rebekah was following God. Genesis 25:23 And the LORD said unto her, "Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels: and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger." (Jacob was the younger.)

And it was NOT that Jacob was Rebekah's favorite son, but as it is Written in Malachi 1:1 The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.

"I have loved you, saith the LORD.

Yet ye say, 'Wherein hast Thou loved us?'

Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: Yet I loved Jacob,

3 And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness....

Paul give a second witness to this in Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him That calleth;)

12 It was said unto her, "The elder shall serve the younger."

13 As it is written, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."

So IF Rebekah deceived Isaac, then so did God!

No, I am not confusing Rebekah's nurse with Deborah of Judges. My point is that down through the ages the teaching of what was written gets manipulated into teachings that are not from God regarding woman. It is a deception to teach Rebekah as deceptive and manipulative when she was serving God. It is a pattern by some who have their own purposes to not only ignore but demean women of the Bible that indeed served God.

My dear FRiend, nowhere does it say that Jehovah appointed Deborah, nor does it rehearse that God approved or helped her. In that time, the Israelites had diappointed and disobeyed Jehovah, and Deborah's prophesying and judging was a part of that. But that did not get them out of captivity, until God appointed Gideon, and mightily gave him the victory.

But it does say, Deborah was a prophetess, and she judged Israel, and at the end of the song of Deborah, where the LORD is praised for the avenging of Israel, ... And the land had rest forty years. God approved else there would have been no rest.

Did you miss the point here? Some people have taught that this is Adam trying to blame Eve for the Fall. That is WRONG doctrine. In this passage Adam was defending Eve by asserting "she gave me, but/and I did eat." That is, though she was deceived, he was not, and stood as a type of Christ in her place to take the blame--"I did eat"-- and receive the punishment (see 1 Tim. 2:13-14). This is what real men do--they defend their women and shield them from harm as far as they can. But they really can't shield them if they choose to abandon their God-ordained role. Eve got into big trouble by presuming she could wear the pants in the family, and debate with that old Devil the serpent, rather than just saying, "You'd better take this up with my husband. I'm just his helpmate," and then walking away. Have you grossly misinterpreted this? What did you mean about "liberal mind"?

Adam not only blamed the woman but he blamed God. Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked;

and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. (Christ said learn ye the parable of the fig tree)

8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, "Where art thou?" (As if God did not know where Adam was hiding.)

10 And he said, "I heard Thy voice in the garden and I was afraid, because I was naked; (Some potent apples they shared?) and I hid myself." (Adam did not cover Eve here.)

11 And He said, "Who told thee that thou was naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?"

12 And the man said, "The woman whom Thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat."

There was NO humility or taking of personal responsibility by Adam, he blamed the woman and God. That is the hallmark of liberalism, no personal responsibility. And the men preach it as if it were gospel.

The point of what is Written in Acts 2 prophesied by Joel, has not yet happened, is "And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, 'I will pour out MY Spirit upon *ALL* flesh: and your sons and your *DAUGHTERS shall prophesy.....

This mentality and doctrine that woman cannot 'speak', 'preach', and/or 'teach' in or out of a church is not of or from God. He explicitly states otherwise.

Oh, I am not soliciting a preaching role, but, rather following the instructions from Christ, 'let no man deceive you'!

112 posted on 03/07/2014 8:18:53 AM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Just mythoughts

There is nothing preventing a woman from teaching from the soul/mind.

God has provided a special spiritual gift of Pastor-Teacher to some believers to communicate Bible doctrine to believers.

The complement of that spiritual gift for believers, is the spiritual gift of Evangelism, which is also a communication gift, but instead of communicating to believers, the spiritual gift is for communicating the Gospel to unbelievers.

Man is comprised of body, soul, and spirit. The soul and spirit are very distinct. The gift of Pastor-Teacher is a “Spiritual” gift, not to be confused with the soul.

There are many, if not the majority of people in roles of teaching who only teach from the soul. Nothing wrong with that teaching. God, though, has provided an incredible gift for some believers to also be able to perceive spiritually, the proper communication skills for a particular audience. That is the spiritual gift of Pastor-Teacher.

The gift of Pastor-Teacher is referenced in Scripture as applicable to men. No women are so referenced with that spiritual gift. There isn’t any admonition for women to not teach, but that teaching might merely be a soulish teaching. While in fellowship with God through faith in Christ, such a soulish effort may be very fruitful.

For many women, Joyce Meyer does provide an outstanding ministry. For men, listening to her ministry may provide soulish insights to the female mind from a Christian perspective. Nothing wrong with that.

The distinction is with the spiritual gifts available from God provide male Pastor-Teachers, but not necessarily female Pastor-Teachers. Female teachers are fine, but they don’t necessarily have the same “Spiritual” gifts some males have been given.


114 posted on 03/07/2014 7:25:22 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Haven't had time to answer your Posts 111 and 112, and won't spend much more time on it. I've written all necessary, and find your responses unsatisfactory to build your base. Let me suggest you ponder on Genesis 3:16 and 17, and go from there. I understand the slant you've taken with Scripture on this topic, and disagree with it.

Now, you may have the last word, whether right or wrong.

119 posted on 03/08/2014 9:32:04 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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