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To: Just mythoughts

There is nothing preventing a woman from teaching from the soul/mind.

God has provided a special spiritual gift of Pastor-Teacher to some believers to communicate Bible doctrine to believers.

The complement of that spiritual gift for believers, is the spiritual gift of Evangelism, which is also a communication gift, but instead of communicating to believers, the spiritual gift is for communicating the Gospel to unbelievers.

Man is comprised of body, soul, and spirit. The soul and spirit are very distinct. The gift of Pastor-Teacher is a “Spiritual” gift, not to be confused with the soul.

There are many, if not the majority of people in roles of teaching who only teach from the soul. Nothing wrong with that teaching. God, though, has provided an incredible gift for some believers to also be able to perceive spiritually, the proper communication skills for a particular audience. That is the spiritual gift of Pastor-Teacher.

The gift of Pastor-Teacher is referenced in Scripture as applicable to men. No women are so referenced with that spiritual gift. There isn’t any admonition for women to not teach, but that teaching might merely be a soulish teaching. While in fellowship with God through faith in Christ, such a soulish effort may be very fruitful.

For many women, Joyce Meyer does provide an outstanding ministry. For men, listening to her ministry may provide soulish insights to the female mind from a Christian perspective. Nothing wrong with that.

The distinction is with the spiritual gifts available from God provide male Pastor-Teachers, but not necessarily female Pastor-Teachers. Female teachers are fine, but they don’t necessarily have the same “Spiritual” gifts some males have been given.


114 posted on 03/07/2014 7:25:22 PM PST by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Cvengr
There is nothing preventing a woman from teaching from the soul/mind. God has provided a special spiritual gift of Pastor-Teacher to some believers to communicate Bible doctrine to believers. The complement of that spiritual gift for believers, is the spiritual gift of Evangelism, which is also a communication gift, but instead of communicating to believers, the spiritual gift is for communicating the Gospel to unbelievers. Man is comprised of body, soul, and spirit. The soul and spirit are very distinct. The gift of Pastor-Teacher is a “Spiritual” gift, not to be confused with the soul. There are many, if not the majority of people in roles of teaching who only teach from the soul. Nothing wrong with that teaching. God, though, has provided an incredible gift for some believers to also be able to perceive spiritually, the proper communication skills for a particular audience. That is the spiritual gift of Pastor-Teacher. The gift of Pastor-Teacher is referenced in Scripture as applicable to men. No women are so referenced with that spiritual gift. There isn’t any admonition for women to not teach, but that teaching might merely be a soulish teaching. While in fellowship with God through faith in Christ, such a soulish effort may be very fruitful. For many women, Joyce Meyer does provide an outstanding ministry. For men, listening to her ministry may provide soulish insights to the female mind from a Christian perspective. Nothing wrong with that. The distinction is with the spiritual gifts available from God provide male Pastor-Teachers, but not necessarily female Pastor-Teachers. Female teachers are fine, but they don’t necessarily have the same “Spiritual” gifts some males have been given.

As I said before Joyce is not my cup of tea. When I study I want to read/hear what God instructs not what either a man or a woman goes off on some personal, I got from God tangent, worlds away from the God given instruction.

It has been my life long experience that men in majority believe it to be their calling to degrade woman. I have been told/taught about many women of the Bible in just such manner. However, the Written Word does not support that teaching. I hear far less regarding what is required of the man, instead very pointed sermons on what woman is doing that hinders the man. Just like the usage of Rebekah being the picture of women's nature. When that is just patently false. So the man that gave this sermon is just plain stupid to me and is not called by God to preach.

I have met and know far more submissive women than men who are Christ like.

And since it is the nature of most men to make sure they preach/teach and demand silent submissive women, I intend when I have opportunity to point out the role model Adam was. One can look to the restoring to Job after his long persecution and note that only the daughters given were named. The boys were not named. So God does not view the woman with the same negativity that most preachers do and claim came from God.

Further, IF down through the ages of time, had the men performed Christ like lives, this radical rebellion of women would not have any basis from which to get birthed. I know men who believe their woman and the woman is their possession. Now we have women trying to act just like a man and some will label the woman a slut, but the man is just being a man.

Woman is compromised of body, soul and spirit intellect as well. And IF God decides a woman will do His work, no flesh man is going to stop this action. And when the prophecy of Joel comes to pass will the men be able to know that it is the fulfillment of God?

115 posted on 03/07/2014 7:55:10 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: Cvengr
There isn’t any admonition for women to not teach, . . .

But there is:

>> 1 Ti 2:12

>> But I suffer not a woman to teach,
>> nor to usurp authority over the man,
>> but to be in silence.

The teaching of doctrine is to be by spiritually mature men. Pastors are selected men who can keep the local church performing its tasks effectively. A pastor should be apt to teach, but he should not remain the only teacher, if he is fulfilling his function (2 Tim. 2:2). It may be that the pastor is not the most mature of the teachers in the congregation. The God-given teachers are men who have been discipled to the point where they have "overcome the wicked (one)" and beyond (1 Jn 2:13, 14), and they teach doctrine.

But the role didaskalos is not for the woman. She can, and ought to be, a teacher (again, when she has come to spiritual maturity to overcome the wicked one), a kalodidaskalos, a teacher of good things to young women:

Tit 2:3-4

3 The aged women likewise, that they be
>> in behaviour as becometh holiness,
>> not false accusers,
>> not given to much wine,
>> teachers of good things;
4 That they may teach the young women to
>> be sober,
>> to love their husbands,
>> to love their children,
5 >> To be discreet,
>> chaste,
>> keepers at home,
>> good,
>> obedient to their own husbands,
that the word of God be not blasphemed.

The Word of God will not be blasphemed if boys are led to become men of God in the ordinary sense through being discipled by spiritually mature men; when girls learn to become Godly women who have bee guided into their roles by spiritually mature women; and when wise young women prefer mature young men for their life companions and the father of their children.

As an aside, Ephesians 4:11, speaking about men who have been or are God's gift to the local churches, is correctly interpreted as "some pastors and some teachers" not "some who are pastor-teachers." The second wrong view defies the Granville Sharp rule regarding the use of "and" here.

Some denominations want to use this misinterpretation to claim that one selected for the office of pastor is also the only elder as well as the only teacher in a local church. Though claimed in their typical local constitution, it is an unscriptural doctrine, as it completely undermines the mandate to disciple both regenerated men and women through growth stages into demonstrable spiritual maturity as far as they can be brought.

120 posted on 03/08/2014 11:34:12 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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