Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


1 posted on 03/04/2014 5:05:38 PM PST by ebb tide
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last
To: ebb tide

It must NOT change. The Bishop should be changed instead


2 posted on 03/04/2014 5:06:55 PM PST by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

Good grief, it is the WORD OF GOD, Bishop. Is that not good enough for you?


3 posted on 03/04/2014 5:08:57 PM PST by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

For crying out loud, there’s an all out revolt. His statements on homos is point blank heresy. Defrock him!


4 posted on 03/04/2014 5:09:02 PM PST by Viennacon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

That’s not how my Bible reads...


5 posted on 03/04/2014 5:09:32 PM PST by JamesA (You don't have to be big to stand tall)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

Homosexuality is unnatural.


6 posted on 03/04/2014 5:10:30 PM PST by kaehurowing
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide
We must strengthen people’s sense of responsibility and then respect their decisions of conscience.”

Typical yuppie drivel. If you "strengthen people's sense of responsibility" then you won't have to whore yourself out by "respecting their decisions of conscience."

7 posted on 03/04/2014 5:11:17 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide
The responses to the Vatican questionnaire on the family are a clear signal that certain changes concerning the church’s teaching on sexual morality are imperative, according to Bishop Stephan Ackermann of Trier, Germany. Interviewed by the Allgemeine Zeitung Mainz, Ackermann, 50, said the responses showed “quite clearly” that for the majority of the faithful the church’s teaching on moral sexuality was “repressive” and “remote from life.” Declaring a second marriage after a divorce a perpetual mortal sin, and under no circumstances allowing remarried divorced people ever to receive the Sacraments, was not helpful, he said and added, “We bishops will have to make suggestions here. We must strengthen people’s sense of responsibility and then respect their decisions of conscience.” It was also no longer tenable to declare that every kind of cohabitation before marriage was a grievous sin, and “the difference between natural and artificial birth control is somehow artificial. No one understands it I fear,” Ackermann said.

IB4TNRC

8 posted on 03/04/2014 5:11:45 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide
In my past life I remember getting a questionnaire from God asking if Jesus needed to be crucified for our sins or just bullied.
9 posted on 03/04/2014 5:15:58 PM PST by Cyman (We have to pass it to see what's in it= definition of stool sample)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

Another Modernist liberal pig speaking against the constant teaching of the Magisterium. Another damnable homosexualist Marxist rump swab from the homosexual mafia that has taken over the Catholic Church - If any of them were a caqndidate to be burned at the stake, this bugger of a “bishop” should fry on slow broil ... But he will get his in the next life. It is stated somewhere that the floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of [evil worldly, [compromising] “Bishops” ...

What an absolute twit.


11 posted on 03/04/2014 5:20:10 PM PST by WTFOVR (I find myself exclaiming that expression quite often these days!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

Declaring a second marriage after a divorce a perpetual mortal sin, and under no circumstances allowing remarried divorced people ever to receive the Sacraments, was not helpful,

You might want to have sermons based on Matthew just a bit more often.


12 posted on 03/04/2014 5:20:11 PM PST by Adder (No, Mr. Franklin, we could NOT keep it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

You either follow God’s Word or you do not. If you do not want to follow then do something else but you are not a Christian..


14 posted on 03/04/2014 5:28:39 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I go to sign up for the American Revolution 2014 and the Crusades 2014?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide
Ackermann was sharply criticized by Bishops Heinz Josef Algermissen

I wish the sharp criticism came at the end of a pointy stake.

15 posted on 03/04/2014 5:36:31 PM PST by Legatus (Keep calm and carry on)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

Absolute liberal progressive TRASH that needs to be forcibly removed by the church and defrocked.

Always the same with the lib progressives...Tell God how He should be. Vicious subversives of every Christian sect.


16 posted on 03/04/2014 5:43:10 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

Maybe the Bishop should consult the Boss first (and I don’t mean the libtard musician).


18 posted on 03/04/2014 5:44:54 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide
The man's statement has an important point, as most great lies do, but it's vital to distinguish the valid parts of his point from the errors.

The responses to the Vatican questionnaire on the family are a clear signal . . . for the majority of the faithful the church’s teaching on moral sexuality was “repressive” and “remote from life” . . . second marriage after a divorce . . . allowing remarried divorced people ever to receive the Sacraments . . . It was also no longer tenable to declare that every kind of cohabitation before marriage was a grievous sin, and “the difference between natural and artificial birth control is somehow artificial. No one understands it I fear”

He is right that it is not enough to say "God says 'no' - end of discussion". With today's organized and carefully polished and packaged attacks on God's Word, the Church needs to provide reasons. They cannot suggest that scripture is open to debate. Rather, this should be a case of reminding followers that God's Word is still relevant and meaningful in today's world.

The number of people who divorce out of boredom shocks me, as does the number that put time and effort into courting the other woman (or man) when that effort would have been more than enough to save their marriage and make it worth saving. Discouraging divorce provides an added incentive to build a better marriage, and religious leaders should emphasize that priority often enough that Christian couples open their minds and their hearts well before the point of divorce is reached.

I'm not in a position to comment on artificial birth control in detail, but I think any Church that restricts birth control should discuss that issue from a secular perspective (side effects of the hormones, for example, failure rates, the adverse effects of casual sex on future relationships, and other issues) along with the religious proscription. Their rules would make more sense with non-religious justifications to show that the rules are relevant and guided by divine wisdom and not just a residual comment quoted from "Genesis 38 - Sin of Onan - end of story."

As far as homosexual relationships were concerned, the church would have to appeal to people’s sense of responsibility, he continued. “The Christian concept of the human being emanates from the polarity of the sexes but we cannot simply say homosexuality is unnatural”

Again, the Church should put more into the discussion. Homosexuality is unnatural, but they need to go beyond "no" and include the adverse consequences. It is more loving to guide people to God's Word than to turn a blind eye to their actions. It is more loving to help someone who is attracted to both men and women (as most gays are) see the broad range of positives in a heterosexual relationship, which could well be the reason why God told us to follow one path and not the other, than to blindly endorse the destructive choices that are now receiving widespread support as if it was merely a question of equality. Adulterous lust, a high school crush, a workplace fling, a liberal movie producer and drugged 13 y/o girl, or a gay relationship are not the "same love" as heterosexual marriage "therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife, and they shall be one flesh" and should not be celebrated as comparable to the special relationship that brings children into the stable family essential for the health of that child and of our culture.

I believe that the church needs to put all of these issues into both a spiritual and a worldly context. Just as God's command to avoid pork makes medical sense in a culture where meats were not cooked thoroughly and Trichinosis was untreatable, we need to teach that God's commands are what is best for us rather than arbitrary restrictions. I trust God, even (especially?) when His choices are different from mine, to choose more wisely than I would.

19 posted on 03/04/2014 5:54:58 PM PST by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide
“the difference between natural and artificial birth control is somehow artificial. No one understands it I fear,” Ackermann said.

That's because you were afraid to preach it, Your Excellency. Cowardly bishops and priests who were afraid their congregation would leave if they told the truth have damaged the Church immensely.

Not that I envy bishops. As has been said, Hell is paved with the skulls of bishops.

20 posted on 03/04/2014 6:19:37 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide
Tschüß and auf wiedersehn, your excellency!

Go try the Hindus!

23 posted on 03/04/2014 6:24:37 PM PST by cloudmountain
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

Well I suppose we can also evolve on abortion. I mean what the hell. Celebrate deviance and murder.


24 posted on 03/04/2014 6:28:49 PM PST by jwalsh07
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

Very New Age / Emerging perspective. Let the creation decide what the Word says instead of letting the Creator speak for Himself. Really a sad state of affairs.


25 posted on 03/04/2014 6:34:14 PM PST by kpbruinfan ("Time, if nothing else, will do its worst so do me a favor and tell me the good news first." - Peart)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]

To: ebb tide

Just in time for Lent!

This article perfectly illustrates why I despise all that has flowed from Vatican II - an evil council, chock full of heresy, organized by Freemasons and Modernist heretics - and particularly those of the German stock. The fruits of this poison council have steadily undermined Church teaching, putrefied the priesthood, and corrupted countless souls through the incessant drumming of revisionist progressive vomit upon the faithful. It is no wonder that Catholics leave the Church..

This rebellious “spirit” is what we Knights of Columbus are now compelled to uphold and defend ... Really? This is the “clergy” to whom our councils are commissioned to support ... Really? Are we supposed to also believe that the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops will not propagate this same scandalous garbage? You see, my dear fellows, I understand that these “leaders” are all cut from the same bolt of liberal cloth - each of them being “fellow travelers” for the progressive cause: the liberalization of the Church - the teachings of Christ be damned! We will have “Liberty! Equality! and Fraternity!” in the truest spirit of “the Revolution” - which is, of course, the “spirit” of Vatican II.

Bishop Stephan Ackermann, of Trier, Germany, provides one more example as to why the “councilliar church” is a total and unmittigated disaster for the preservation and propagation of the true Catholic Faith. That such perverse commentary could ever come from the mouth of any Catholic “prince” strongly suggests that the Modern Church is in fact the Whore of Babylon, prophesied in scripture, because this demonic spirit is now everywhere in the Church, and this clueless member of the episcopate provides us with one more proof of the assertion!

I have often wondered why the most damaging opinions flow from the mouths of German Bishops. I propose the answer is connected in some way with Martin Luther. Bishop Ackermann - and probably not a few of his fellow countrymen - arrogantly spews the “party line,” in which is included the liberal acceptance of cohabitation, remarriage after divorce, and homosexual “relationships.” This game plan comes straight out of the Communist Manifesto.

It is said that the floor of Hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops ... And this “wolf in sheep’s clothing” had best recant his heretical inclinations, else he likely will provide the Devil with yet one more skull to further enhance the infernal decor!

Read the full article, and then weep ... If ever there were reason to do penance, this disgusting verbiage provides such.

Who opened the door to this monster? Why, it was Pope Francis, of course - genius that he is, and a fully-committed proponent of liberation theology! This is same man who claimed that the Church focuses “too much on moral teachings about abortion and homosexuality” ... Well, kiddies, I guess the Pope’s little dissertation on “who am I to judge” was merely the prelude to this mischievous “questionnaire,” which he so thoughtfully released to the faithful - and which is so much more clever in its capacity to wreak total havoc within the Body of Christ ... You see, Francis believes - like all the good little shepherds of liberation theology - that the Church must become “democratized.” Why? Well, because the enlightened Marxists, Modernists and Homosexualists now running the Vatican demand it be so! And you will submit - because that is to render proper Catholic “obedience.”

You can lay this not-so-little terror right at the doorstep of “religious liberty” and “freedom of conscience” and all the other similar liberal drivel ... Christ is the Son of God, the Word of God, God Incarnate - He declared as much - and proved His claim to be the Truth - not one of many truths, but rather THE one single only TRUTH. That’s the choice laid before us; and not one iota of this renegade Bishop’s scatological poppycock comes from Christ’s teaching, nor from the Magisterial teaching of the Catholic Church. Rather, this opinion - and the “asinine “questionnaire” that fomented it - is 100 percent liberalism. It is demonstrative of the demonic duplicity of the modernist mind, and of the “fruits” one can expect to reap from promulgating heretical doctrines. God is not mocked.


27 posted on 03/04/2014 8:03:47 PM PST by WTFOVR (I find myself exclaiming that expression quite often these days!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies ]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-23 next last

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson