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Bishop Bans Fisher More College from offering Traditional Latin Mass to students
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/03/Rorate-Exclusive.html ^

Posted on 03/03/2014 5:06:09 AM PST by piusv

BREAKING & EXCLUSIVE: Bishop Bans Fisher More College from offering Traditional Latin Mass to students

Stunning letter gives no reason, simply bans the Mass said daily for last three years at school for sake of "your own soul"

Canon Law Centre: Bishop has "unlawfully restricted the rights of the faithful"

An effect of new Pontificate? First the FI, now the youth in America

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To: piusv
If the school made derogatory comments about the N.O. Mass' validity/legitimacy, then the bishop is fully within his rights to shut down the EF and, in fact, if the school operates under the Bishop's authority, to close the school down altogether. This is the first I've heard that the school made those kinds of comments (I don't follow Rorate that closely).

I don't care for the irreverence that seems to follow the N.O. in so many places. I don't care for the heretical music, the focus on the priest as being the primary actor and focus (rather than Christ), the abuses that seem to track with it hand in hand.

And I wouldn't hardly have a problem with pointing that out to students or publishing that in an official capacity (if I were on the faculty of a school).

But there is a world of difference between pointing out that the N.O. lends itself to abuses and stating that it is not valid or somehow valid but not licit...because that directly challenges the primacy of the Holy Father...and that is unacceptable and lends itself to some really, really, really bad theological conclusions.

41 posted on 03/03/2014 7:57:12 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: dangus
no-one has ever suggested doing that to Notre Dame, Boston College, Georgetown, etc. Can you imagine Notre Dame having to explain to parents that they are “in the Catholic tradition,” but the students have to go to off the immense campus to find a mass?

The freshman parents' orientation at Georgetown U so offended a relative of mine, they almost pulled their kid out. The female presenter said that drinking was absolutely not allowed in the dorms, but when it comes to sex, she scolded the parents , "This isn't Mayberry anymore!" and proceeded to explain the co-ed dorms and the practice of "sexiling" -- a student asking his or her roommate to leave their room so he or she could use the room to have sex. These are 18-year-old kids away from home for 5 minutes. They also have "Sex Positive" week and a gay-straight alliance.

Wonder how GU's alumni contributions are going -- oh, wait: they've been accepting money from the Saudis for their "Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding", so no problem.

42 posted on 03/03/2014 7:57:26 AM PST by Albion Wilde (The less a man knows, the more certain he is that he knows it all.)
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To: markomalley
Following from this, our first priority is to provide for the continued formation of our students in the traditional Catholic Faith, centered on the Traditional Mass. We consider it our duty to provide students with an environment and a culture in which they can grow in their faith, one that is safe for them spiritually so they can have a fruitful sacramental and prayer life during this critical period of their lives. We operate on the motto that 18 years of sacrifice and commitment at home should not be undone in 3 months of college.

We are certain that this can only be accomplished by remaining faithful to the timeless, sacred traditions that have been passed down to us through the ages and have always been true source of faith, piety, and culture....”

I think the above could be considered, like I said above, "fighting words". It does seem to imply at least that this is not possible without the TLM.

43 posted on 03/03/2014 8:02:55 AM PST by piusv
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To: piusv
>>>We are certain that this can only be accomplished by remaining faithful to the timeless, sacred traditions that have been passed down to us through the ages and have always been true source of faith, piety, and culture....”

I think the above could be considered, like I said above, "fighting words". It does seem to imply at least that this is not possible without the TLM.

Seems to me like they should be advocating to celebrate the Mass according to the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom, since that is far more the timeless, sacred tradition (being about 1,000 years older than the Liturgy of St Pius V).

Note: I say that as somebody who loves both the TLM and the Eastern Rite and think that both are far superior to the N.O. But to say that the E.F. Mass is truly ancient (in terms of the timeline of the Church) is laughable.

44 posted on 03/03/2014 8:17:38 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: markomalley
Seems to me like they should be advocating to celebrate the Mass according to the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom, since that is far more the timeless, sacred tradition (being about 1,000 years older than the Liturgy of St Pius V).

Wouldn't that make them guilty of disputing the primacy of a canonized pope?

45 posted on 03/03/2014 8:39:19 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

“Wouldn’t that make them guilty of disputing the primacy of a canonized pope?”

Then we get into fights about popes issuing apostolic constitutions: http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_p-vi_apc_19690403_missale-romanum_en.html

Unless, of course, you choose to get into some really complicated theological nastiness. For example, the liceity of the Eastern Rites and the Ambrosian Rite (as well as others like the Dominican Rite, etc.)

The point I’m getting at is when they say that the Liturgy of St Pius V is the ONLY way to achieve that, it falls flat when they simultaneously appeal to it based upon its antiquity.

Again, repeating, re-iterating: I full well understand the problems that the N.O. seems to have constantly accompanying it. So I’m not defending the N.O. as being optimal.


46 posted on 03/03/2014 8:55:13 AM PST by markomalley (Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
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To: Salvation

That letter from the bishop reads like a cold slap in the face.

What’s the matter with him?!


47 posted on 03/03/2014 9:29:14 AM PST by Deo volente (God willing, America shall survive this Obamanation.)
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To: Deo volente

The Modernists are feeling emboldened by Francis.


48 posted on 03/03/2014 10:07:17 AM PST by piusv
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To: Deo volente

It surprised me too. I was thinking that all the new Bishops were in line with Pope Benedict. Makes me wonder.


49 posted on 03/03/2014 10:22:13 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: piusv

In point of fact, no permission is needed under the prevailing legislation. The clergy have the right to use the older liturgies as they please. However, given the political realities of most dioceses, a pastor would be asking to have his head handed to him if he did not at least consult his bishop. Look up Summorum Pontificum for details.


50 posted on 03/03/2014 11:11:24 AM PST by Austin Scott
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To: Buckeye McFrog

“It cannot however be the primary tool of evangelization. You have to reach people in a language they can understand.”

How did the Catholic Christians through the Dark Ages and the Middle Ages, the Renaissance, and up through today manage to figure out their religion and relate to it when it was always the Latin Mass that they heard. My, how did they ever manage to understand or love their religion? How ever did the religion spread throughout the world when the Mass was not given in the local language. Must have been magic.


51 posted on 03/03/2014 1:53:11 PM PST by flaglady47 (Oppressors can tyranize only w/a standing army-enslaved press-disarmed populace)
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To: Salvation

Where the bishop ends the letter with the valediction “Sincerely Yours in Christ”, he’s lying or mistaken.


52 posted on 03/03/2014 2:02:06 PM PST by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: steve86

Yeah, it’s puke-worthy, isn’t it?


53 posted on 03/04/2014 4:26:51 AM PST by piusv
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