Baptists Seriously Discussing Robert Jeffress' Claim that Obama's Paving the Way for the Antichrist

The Dallas Observer's Unfair Park Blog ^ | January 27, 2014 | Eric Nicholson

[2ndDivisionVet]

When First Baptist's Robert Jeffress proclaimed a couple of weeks back that President Obama is "paving the way for the antichrist," we dismissed it as a publicity stunt designed to sell copies of his new book on the end times.

Not everyone was so quick to call Jeffress' claim empty bombast. Take this Christian Post piece from over the weekend in which a reporter, apparently keeping a straight face, asks two Baptist biblical scholars -- or rather as the headline suggests "experts" on the Obama-antichrist link -- to weigh in on the controversy.

Darrell Bock, a professor at Dallas Theological Seminary, offers a slight rebuke to Jeffress, saying that while "believers are to keep watch and be alert" for the second coming of Christ and all that will entail, the timing is unknowable.

He points out that the U.S. is mentioned nowhere in the Bible and that previous attempts to prophesy the end times have, well, failed.

The second expert, Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary president Paige Patterson, is less cautious. Though he tells the Christian Post that "Identifying specific politicians with the antichrist of the last days is clearly absurd," Jeffress is generally on point.

"The rapid expansion of the powers of government and the growing dependency on the welfare state set the stage for the antichrist, since that is precisely what he is forecast to do," he says. "Dr. Jeffress is not personally attacking President Obama. He is simply attempting to explain to his people what is to happen next."

Indeed, his reference to a specific political figure aside, Jeffress' is bread-and-butter Baptism. Here's what the Southern Baptist Convention has in its statement of faith under the heading "Last Things":

God, in His own time and in His own way, will bring the world to its appropriate end. According to His promise, Jesus Christ will return personally and visibly in glory to the earth; the dead will be raised; and Christ will judge all men in righteousness. The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell, the place of everlasting punishment. The righteous in their resurrected and glorified bodies will receive their reward and will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord.

There are competing interpretations of how that will come to pass, but no one can say for certain that Obama isn't paving the way for the antichrist.

[Olog-hai]

That was the first thing Jesus warned about: the false Christs and false apostles.

[CynicalBear]

>>Or 100yrs...<<

\ Actually no only 80 if given health.

>>there is the question of generation overlap too.<<

That could be a consideration but one needs to take into account the generation that was alive when Israel was reformed as a nation. The pretty much eliminates any generation born after 1948 or so.

>>What should be taken away is that we are close, very close... Look UP!<<

Amen and Amen! And with the speed at which things are changing to appear to be fulfilling those prophecies it could be very, very close.

[JosefKozma]

He very well could be the AntiChrist, has any other leader ever been an evangelist for sodomy and sodomites like Obama? He most clearly is a man of sin as no other in history. Neither Hitler nor Stalin, changed times and laws as Obama has done. To Obama good is evil, and evil is good. Homosexuality is a sin that cries to Heaven for judgment, he chastises and rebukes any nation which does not follow his defiled and perverted beliefs. Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. The Synagogue of Satan media, love shoving Sodomy in the face of God fearing Christians. Pray for the destruction of God’s enemies, O God, seek out Your enemies wickedness until You find none, it is time for You to work O Jehovah! for they have made void Your Law, This I pray in Jesus’ holy name. Amen

[Little Bill]

FDR was the precursor, Obama is the AntiChrist, fits rather well.

[OrangeHoof]

Or the right hand. And most of the population is right-handed.

Not likely. Hands can be severed. You can't sever a forehead without killing the patient. They will microchip the forehead because it is central to the individual and almost always in full view.

[Ezekiel]

Of course, Revelation 16:15 has Jesus saying he is coming like a thief, not in the form of a thief. (The Greek word translated “as” or “like” in that verse can also mean “in the manner of”.)

Good point. Kind of like "sneaking up on" the comatose, unconscious, drunk, drugged, etc. A thief must break in quickly or cleverly or use some pretext to deceive and gain access to victims who are generally alert and sober, but if the targets are clueless - oblivious to every type of warning, noise, and writing on the wall - even the most fundamental truth (e.g. cause and effect) surprises them like a thief.

[Secret Agent Man]

one fact about him is that he has no desire for women.

[Battle Hymn of the Republic]

I know someone who works with all the big banks in fraud, etc. Bio metrics for authentication is coming fast, next will be rfid chips...

[Sheapdog]

If one is a nurse or a patient in a hospital one has to wear a bar code for the computer system right now. I believe in Obamacare there is a portion that allows for the state to compell a person to accept a class II medical device which would include an RFID device. I know there were plenty of articles refuting this and saying the version passed did not include this portion but Obama can add or take away as he desires. The fact that it was there is concern enough that it will eventually become a part of the law much like the death panels that were denied.

I agree that by 2017 or 2018 this will probably be the case along with the economic rug being pulled out from America with the destruction of the dollar to be replaced by a world currency possibly called the Phoenix.

COVER: “GET READY FOR A WORLD CURRENCY”
Title of article: Get Ready for the Phoenix
Source: Economist; 01/9/88, Vol. 306, pp 9-10

I attended Dallas Theological Seminary for quite a few years and the ignorance of students there regarding prophecy if not disdain would astound a person considering they are the premier conservative premillenial seminary. Hal Lindsey is an alumni and was basically he that shall not be named by all - professors and students. Lindsey is a laughing stock they want nothing to do with. One can go through there for years in a program and really not deal with it at all. I have known a number of Christians that are okay with technology and its use in such a way as a chip under the skin. I don’t know what the percentage is now that support Obama there but I have no doubt at least 30 percent of the students there would have voted for him the first time around. I don’t believe the standard view of Lindsey or dispensational model of the endtimes but the aversion to all things prophetic and regarding prophecy in our lifetime is prophetic in and of itself.

1 Thes 5:19-20
19 Do not quench the Spirit. 20 Do not despise prophecies,

I can’t tell you how many times I have been told every generation has believed that and nothing changes - this by people in leadership in the church at a Christian college and seminary.

2 Pet 3:2-4
2 that you should remember the predictions of the holy prophets and the commandment of the Lord and Savior through your apostles, 3 knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires. 4 They will say, “Where is the promise of his coming? For ever since the fathers fell asleep, all things are continuing as they were from the beginning of creation.”

[Bob434]

[[but no one can say for certain that Obama isn’t paving the way for the antichrist.]]

how much more ‘writing on the wall’ does there need to be?

let’s go through some of his anti-Aermican/Israeli- pro Islam actions in the past- This administration is boldly brazenly hostile towards Israel, openly ridiculing Israel, Demanding that she give up lands to terrorists so that she can no logner defend herself effectively— calling their leader ‘chicken $%^%$45”, Calling him “annoying”. Dear leader has released TERRORISTS to go back to the fields to kill more Americans and possibly Jews- it has lifted sanctions on Iran knowing full well that Iran is seeking an atomic boimb to use against Israel which it has said over and over again it wishes to annihilate fro mthe face of the earth- dear leader is bringing in more and more muslim aliens, and allowing open boarders and promises of money, wealth, healthcare, ‘rights’ education- attacking the Christian faith here by demanding they obey his ungodly healthcare abortion laws- calling American Christians bitter gun clingers- ordering the IRS to target conservatives, wanting citizens to spy on each other and to report their actions to him via a website he had set up- on and on it goes-

The direction this country has taken in just 6 short years is frightening- but what is more despicable is the fact that the GOP have done NOTHING to stop him

[Bob434]

[[Obama is still young - we might see him as head of the UN in the future!?]]

Funny you should say that because others I know have said that for some time now- they feel he will run for ‘president of the UN’ and will at that time use military force to enforce his dictates-

[Bob434]

[[And deception is the first warning Christ gives when the disciples ask what are the signs of His return.]]

Are we not seeing our ‘leader’ deceiving the masses by claiming to be a CHristian, and bringing in all kinds of unbiblical things claiming they are biblical- and the masses believing him? Claiming the bible talks about wealth redistribution, that the bible condones homosexuality/gay marriage- that the bible is ok with abortion- etc- Dear leader wants something he just waltzes in and takes it- taking control of the internet, controlling the media through a ‘fairness act’ (Which is ANOTHER deceitful piece of legislation that the GOP are too spineless to stop) He wants to control what Christians can and can’t believe- He takes control through the health care act- and his soon to be ‘terrorism laws’ which WILL deem biblical ethics as ‘terroristic hate speech’ (something he is actively pushing to get passed in the UN and universally enforced) etc etc etc- The thief is here- He is taking things that DO NOT BELONG to him, things he HAS NO RIGHT taking