Posted on 02/15/2014 11:08:30 AM PST by ebb tide
Too many to post....but here are some. I posted the Engle book: Sex Education: the Final Plague. More
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtQMyyarQ-0: (Battle for the Soul of the Church)
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2013/02/fr-dariusz-okos-major-article-with-pope.html
gotcha! then why does the Vatican keep saying that? Cover the tracks of its own BS?
I lost ya. Keep saying what?
Reagan and Pope Francis were describing the difference between the two. Both emphasized fashion.
In the preface of the Spirit of the Liturgy
I should like to suggest a comparison. Like all comparisons, it is I'm many ways inadequate, and yet it may aid understanding. We might say that in 1918, the year that Guardini published his book, the liturgy was rather like a fresco. It had been preserved from damage, but it had been almost completely overlaid with whitewash by later generations. In the Missal from which the priest celebrated, the form of the liturgy that had grown from its earliest beginnings was still present, but, as far as the faithful were concerned, it was largely concealed beneath instructions for and forms of private prayer. The fresco was laid bare by the Liturgical Movement and, in a definitive way, by the Second Vatican Council.
In defending Pope Francis, I was not trying to make an argument for or against either the TLM or the Novus Ordo. What I was trying to point out is that I believe the Pope believes he is faced with a much graver problem, summed up in a story Pope Benedict related about St. Therese of Lisieux in Introduction to Christianity:
"To her, "religion" really was a self-evident presupposition of her daily existence; she dealt with it as we deal with the concrete details of our lives. Yet this very saint, a person apparently cocooned in complete security, left behind her, from the last weeks of her passion, shattering admissions that her fortified sisters toned down in her literary remains and that have only now come to light in the new verbatim editions. She says, for example, "I am assailed by the worst temptations of atheism". Her mind is beset by every possible argument against the faith; the sense of believing seems to have vanished; she feels that she is now "in sinners' shoes. In other words, in what is apparently a flawlessly interlocking world someone here suddenly catches a glimpse of the abyss lurking - even for her - under the firm structure of the supporting conventions. In a situation like this, what is in question is not the sort of thing that one perhaps quarrel about otherwise - dogma of the Assumption, the proper use of confession - all this becomes absolutely secondary. What is at stake is the whole structure; it is a question of all or nothing. That is the only remaining alternative; nowhere does there seem anything to cling to in the is sudden fall. Wherever one looks, only the bottomless abyss of nothingness can be seen.
I think he believes Christianity faces and existential crisis and that focusing on the relative merits of the various liturgical forms is akin to fiddling while Rome burn. Neither do I have much sympathy for the offended classes.
P.S.
Personally, I am fan of both Latin and the TLM. I also get my personal daily readings from http://www.breviary.net, which is also Pre-Vatican II
It’s a sad state of affairs when the pope considers “Lex credendi, lex orandi” fiddling.
Several years ago I was having an ongoing discussion over the course of multiple office visits with a former Franciscan priest (laicized and married) regarding the reintroduction of the TLM. At one point, he looked at me and asked, “Why do you hate the Novus Ordo mass?!?”
I was stunned. In talking about how much I loved the reverence and theology expressed in the TLM, I had never once said I hated the Novus Ordo. I replied, “I don’t hate the Novus Ordo! I attend it 6 days a week, and I attend the TLM on Sundays. How in Heaven’s name does that make me someone who “hates” the Novus Ordo?”
He was in turn stunned. He just assumed I hated and shunned the Novus Ordo because I loved the TLM.
There are lots of assumptions on all sides of this issue, many of them obviously false.
AMEN to that!
As long as they are both done in a reverent manner.
Been away for a couple of days and see that the debating over which mass is better still goes on.
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