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To: sasportas
>>One immediately precedes the other.<<<

Actually no it doesn’t. See my post 86 to see just one of the passages that show that is so.<<

>>If tying the rapture to the resurrection upsets you, it must upset you more to see Paul in 1 Cor. 15:54b (quoting Isa. 25:7-9, in context)<<

Not in the least. If you don’t take that verse in context with the rest of scripture I suppose you could see it that way but when put in context it makes perfect sense.

>>tying said resurrection/rapture to the revelation (unveiling)<<

Only in the minds of those who fail to take all of scripture into account. It does to those who find the need to inject meaning where it doesn’t exist.

>>so often in the NT referring to the post-trib event.<<

Not once does the NT refer to a post trib rapture. Both the OT and the NT clearly define a catching up of the saints prior to the seven years left that God will again deal with the nation of Israel after which there will be a resurrection of the tribulation saints to live again for the millennium.

Let’s look at your quote of 1 Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 15: 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

That “brought to pass” is referencing the entire tribulation period and millennium after which there will be a new heaven and a new earth and it’s at that time that death will be swallowed up in victory.

The post trib people have a serious problem because it clearly says that it’s not until after the millennium that death will be swallowed up in victory. So if the post trib people claim the rapture happens after the trib but before the millennium how do they account for the deaths after Lucifer is allowed loose after the millennium and its then that the unbelievers are resurrected and sent to hell?

101 posted on 02/08/2014 2:15:05 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Well, C-Bear, you are quite the debater. On other threads, I’ve found myself almost always siding with you. Sorry, not on this one.

On such a subject as this, the stakes are high, very high. I think we should be trying to get to the real truth on this than just debating.

As a former pretribber, I spent many years trying to get to the bottom of this, I seriously doubt that there is very few here who have spent as many hours, yea, years, on this subject than I.

C-Bear, my friend, I must tell you the naked truth, there is no pretrib rapture. Nobody is getting out of here until the last day.

Actually, it is the pretrib view that “injects meaning where it doesn’t exist.” You can’t see it, of course, I couldn’t either at one time, as long as I read scripture through the pretrib spectacles I had perched on the end of my nose. I didn’t realize it, but I was reading into scripture something that really isn’t there.

Pretrib has a great many inferences, but no scripture that actually defines the two stage second coming so essential to their belief. Try laying aside your two stage spectacles for once, and looking at all these passages you cite as if there is only one second coming. It’ll surprise you.

I enjoyed conversing with you, pal, have a good day.


104 posted on 02/08/2014 5:21:39 PM PST by sasportas
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