Well, C-Bear, you are quite the debater. On other threads, I’ve found myself almost always siding with you. Sorry, not on this one.
On such a subject as this, the stakes are high, very high. I think we should be trying to get to the real truth on this than just debating.
As a former pretribber, I spent many years trying to get to the bottom of this, I seriously doubt that there is very few here who have spent as many hours, yea, years, on this subject than I.
C-Bear, my friend, I must tell you the naked truth, there is no pretrib rapture. Nobody is getting out of here until the last day.
Actually, it is the pretrib view that “injects meaning where it doesn’t exist.” You can’t see it, of course, I couldn’t either at one time, as long as I read scripture through the pretrib spectacles I had perched on the end of my nose. I didn’t realize it, but I was reading into scripture something that really isn’t there.
Pretrib has a great many inferences, but no scripture that actually defines the two stage second coming so essential to their belief. Try laying aside your two stage spectacles for once, and looking at all these passages you cite as if there is only one second coming. It’ll surprise you.
I enjoyed conversing with you, pal, have a good day.
How interesting. I came from where you are to seeing the pre trib very clearly through now about 40 years of study. The more I study becuase of conversations like this the more convinced I become.