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To: CynicalBear

I wasn’t being “cute” or devious when I said resurrection/rapture. One immediately precedes the other. There can be no rapture of the redeemed without there first being a resurrection of the same. I thought all pretribs believed this - I was once a a very studious pretribber myself, when I believed this.

Wheresoever the resurrection is, there will the rapture be also.

If tying the rapture to the resurrection upsets you, it must upset you more to see Paul in 1 Cor. 15:54b (quoting Isa. 25:7-9, in context) tying said resurrection/rapture to the revelation (unveiling) - so often in the NT referring to the post-trib event.


100 posted on 02/08/2014 11:35:42 AM PST by sasportas
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To: sasportas
>>One immediately precedes the other.<<<

Actually no it doesn’t. See my post 86 to see just one of the passages that show that is so.<<

>>If tying the rapture to the resurrection upsets you, it must upset you more to see Paul in 1 Cor. 15:54b (quoting Isa. 25:7-9, in context)<<

Not in the least. If you don’t take that verse in context with the rest of scripture I suppose you could see it that way but when put in context it makes perfect sense.

>>tying said resurrection/rapture to the revelation (unveiling)<<

Only in the minds of those who fail to take all of scripture into account. It does to those who find the need to inject meaning where it doesn’t exist.

>>so often in the NT referring to the post-trib event.<<

Not once does the NT refer to a post trib rapture. Both the OT and the NT clearly define a catching up of the saints prior to the seven years left that God will again deal with the nation of Israel after which there will be a resurrection of the tribulation saints to live again for the millennium.

Let’s look at your quote of 1 Corinthians.

1 Corinthians 15: 54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

That “brought to pass” is referencing the entire tribulation period and millennium after which there will be a new heaven and a new earth and it’s at that time that death will be swallowed up in victory.

The post trib people have a serious problem because it clearly says that it’s not until after the millennium that death will be swallowed up in victory. So if the post trib people claim the rapture happens after the trib but before the millennium how do they account for the deaths after Lucifer is allowed loose after the millennium and its then that the unbelievers are resurrected and sent to hell?

101 posted on 02/08/2014 2:15:05 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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