Posted on 01/29/2014 4:53:38 PM PST by NKP_Vet
You’re still not presenting any actual evidence for you original claim. Why is that?
8-)
do I really need enter a "guilty" plea here? not just of "human" but having long been among the sinners here?
I cannot kid myself, that I am not. The Spirit convinces me (and convicts me) daily, moment by moment.
But no, my own guilt in this regard is not a get-out-of-jail-free card for any others, whether those persons be living within His Kingdom, or not...
The same rules others may seek or wish for to be applied to myself (which I have had applied to myself) are they (the infamous "they") not themselves subject to?
Let he is free of bigotry himself, be the judge of bigotry --- itself.
Who could that be? have any here met that man?
ph
White bird,
dreams of the aspen trees,
with their dying leaves,
turning gold.But the white bird just sits in her cage,
growing old.White bird must fly or she will die.
White bird must fly or she will die.The sunsets come, the sunsets go.
The clouds roll by,and the earth turns old.
And the young bird's eyes do always glow.She must fly,
She must fly,
She must fly.White bird,
In a golden cage,
On a winter's day, in the rain.White bird,
In a golden cage alone.
Indeed...."For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again" (Matthew 7:2)
"Who could that be? have any here met that man?"
Well it certainly isn't the man I see in the mirror.When I contemplate him as brutally honest as I can I end up with...
"And he bowed himself, and said, What is thy servant, that thou shouldest look upon such a dead dog as I am?".... "Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord"....yet thankfully...."I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee" (2 Samuel 9:8,Luke 5:8,Hebrews 13:5)
The grace of God is staggering.The carnal 'me' sometimes seems to pace back and forth like a rat cornered in a maze,slowly but surely being suffocated by the goodness of God.
Against most of what I am,I love Him!
Knowing God and His grace and goodness gives a new meaning to *relentless*.
That very word 'relentless' crossed my mind earlier today whilst thinking on Him!
Thank God that He is able,willing and relentless where we are concerned!
yes.
One wonders vlad, if "inconsistencies" seen in your posts also exist in your "research".
1/31/2014 11:00:49 AM · 167 of 209 Errant to vladimir998: The evils perpetrated by Catholic leaders throughout its history are documented facts, FRiend.
1/31/2014 3:47:31 PM · 172 of 209 vladimir998 to Errant: Leaders? Yes, some. Members? Yes, some. The Catholic Church? No. I don’t blame the Church for what some of its members did.
1/31/2014 9:50:57 PM · 186 of 209 Errant to vladimir998: Then again, this is nothing more than a distraction on your part in lieu of evidence proving your claim that the church played no part in the Inquisition.
1/31/2014 10:21:34 PM · 188 of 209 vladimir998 to Errant: And there we go. Show me where I ever claimed “the church played no part in the Inquisition.” I claimed no such thing.
1/31/2014 11:00:01 PM · 190 of 209 Errant to vladimir998: Oh, so now you are admitting the church DID play a role in the Inquisition?
[listens, nodding] ...wonders ... inconsistencies ...uh huh hey uh, hold on a sec, the last tune is winding down, gotta get another turnin' you know? can't be letting any "dead air" go out
[sound of rummaging] ..ah... here it is...it's been a little while, but it is most certainly on the playlist.
this is too funny, but I'm afraid to laugh, too.
Ok, I did, a little too much. too late to stop it, it happened. I helped make it happen.
Now where was I...oh, that's right....dying to self...simply must do that, (even if it kills me)
35 (Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
Without its *members* there would be no Catholic church.
The Catholic church IS its members. If the members are evil, the denomination is evil. The RCC (denomination) cannot exist outside for the people who make it up. Nor can any denomination.
“One wonders vlad, if “inconsistencies” seen in your posts also exist in your “research”.”
You posted a link to an article on the inquisition. The existence of the inquisitorial tribunals is not evidence of “evils perpetrated by Catholic leaders throughout its history”.
1) the existence of inquisitorial tribunals was generally brief, local, and sporadic. Thus there is no “throughout [the Church’s] history” involved.
2) the very existence of inquisitorial tribunals in no way indicates “evils perpetrated by Catholic leaders”.
I wrote: “Leaders? Yes, some. Members? Yes, some. The Catholic Church? No. I don’t blame the Church for what some of its members did.”
That is irrefutably true. A few individual members of the Church, are not the Church herself.
You wrote: “Then again, this is nothing more than a distraction on your part in lieu of evidence proving your claim that the church played no part in the Inquisition.”
And, of course, I never once claimed the Church “played no part in the Inquisition.” Anyone claiming I did such a thing is dishonest. Anti-Catholic bigots must resort to lying because the facts simply don’t support their claims.
I wrote: “And there we go. Show me where I ever claimed “the church played no part in the Inquisition.” I claimed no such thing.”
And I was 100% right. I never claimed any such thing. You will repeatedly fail - REPEATEDLY FAIL - to show otherwise.
You wrote: “Oh, so now you are admitting the church DID play a role in the Inquisition?”
I never denied. To see which one of us is being honest is easy enough:
Show me where I ever claimed “that the church played no part in the Inquisition.”
You will fail. Of course. It is guaranteed. Why? Because I never, ever, even once claimed any such thing. So, even though I already know you’ll fail, please post for me the exact post and post the exact quote where I said “the church played no part in the Inquisition.”
“The Catholic church IS its members.”
The actions of individual members of the body are not actions of the body itself. Hence, when a Protestant minister cheats on his wife (and 46% do according to one study years ago), no one say, “Oh, look, there’s the First Baptist Church committing adultery again.”
“If the members are evil, the denomination is evil.”
Your premise is false for several reasons:
1) All of us commit evil in the eyes of the Lord. Thus, according to your logic, all denominations are evil. This would include yours. Your sect is evil. And if it is, why are you in it?
2) I’m not in a denomination, thus, according to your premise, the Church is not counted in your calculation.
“The RCC (denomination) cannot exist outside for the people who make it up. Nor can any denomination.”
Again, the Catholic Church is not a denomination.
Agree
The Bible is a Christian Book, a living word of inspiration through it’s many authors. The Bible has neither Catholic nor Protestant roots, it is rooted in the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and all that he (Godhead) has created and given to a fallen world.
In ever book of the Bible there is a thread of Jesus, if you understand enough scripture. Even Jesus followers from the NT were referred to as “The Way” long before they were called “Christians”.
My favorite Bible translation is the NIV, translated from the original Hebrew and Greek. Thank God for the King James version, although the old English was the wording. The Catholic Bible has a few more books than the others, however, with the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls... we see more clearly now.
The Bible is clear in it’s statement “the Holy Spirit will teach you the deep things of God” meaning the living word will interpret itself, not man. True divine scripture will minister to your heart, and one does not need another person to tell him what is true and what is just history.
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