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Who’s ‘Godless’ Now? Russia Says It’s U.S.
The Washington Times ^ | 1/28/14 | Marc Bennetts

Posted on 01/29/2014 7:11:20 AM PST by marshmallow

MOSCOW — At the height of the Cold War, it was common for American conservatives to label the officially atheist Soviet Union a “godless nation.”

More than two decades on, history has come full circle, as the Kremlin and its allies in the Russian Orthodox Church hurl the same allegation at the West.

“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”

In his state of the nation address in mid-December, Mr. Putin also portrayed Russia as a staunch defender of “traditional values” against what he depicted as the morally bankrupt West. Social and religious conservatism, the former KGB officer insisted, is the only way to prevent the world from slipping into “chaotic darkness.”

As part of this defense of “Christian values,” Russia has adopted a law banning “homosexual propaganda” and another that makes it a criminal offense to “insult” the religious sensibilities of believers.

The law on religious sensibilities was adopted in the wake of a protest in Moscow’s largest cathedral by a female punk rock group against the Orthodox Church’s support of Mr. Putin. Kremlin-run television said the group’s “demonic” protest was funded by “some Americans.”

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TOPICS: General Discusssion; Orthodox Christian; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: godless; putin; russia; us
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yes China is still communist, but why did they permit free markets? Have you not seen their cities in pictures, they have high rise towers that would surprise you.


21 posted on 01/29/2014 7:33:33 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: marshmallow

Not that there isn’t something to this, but if it was as black and white as this then wouldn’t the abortion rate reflect that? It doesn’t, yet. Russia has come waaaay down since the horrific 230+ abortions for every 100 live births in the early 90s, but it is still higher than the US, at least so far.

In any case I’m not sure any nation can proclaim itself civilized and Christian when the murder of unborn people is legal, and that includes both the US and Russia.

Freegards


22 posted on 01/29/2014 7:34:18 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: Biggirl

China today is more Fascist than Communist.


23 posted on 01/29/2014 7:34:24 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Viennacon
The Russian Orthodox Church was surpressed by the Communist government, so practicing the faith became more of a commitment to a belief. Meanwhile, in Europe and the US the Church got "too easy". Even when I was in Catholic college in the '60s folowing the beliefs and values wasn't as important as being involved was.

I've always understood that my mother's generation, brought up Russian Orthodox, were more connected to the spiratual. Some of my cousins, in fact, returned to the Orthodox faith of their parents.

24 posted on 01/29/2014 7:35:08 AM PST by grania
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To: EAGLE7

Please see post number 17. Thank-you.


25 posted on 01/29/2014 7:35:28 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: marshmallow

Well, I certainly can’t argue with a fact. America is becoming a Godless, degenerate cesspool. Awash in a culture of homosex, dope and deviancy. No longer the country I spent my life pledging allegiance to.


26 posted on 01/29/2014 7:36:36 AM PST by greene66
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To: greene66

Solzhenitsyn predicted, the West would fall apart once the Soviet Union fell.


27 posted on 01/29/2014 7:37:17 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Biggirl

I would submit something else is speaking through him. He and his comrades devote their lives to the communist cause and worked diligently to bring America to the point where we are. He then seems to be mocking us as “godless”. He’s done this before. While I agree that we are a nation that has lost faith in the God of our fathers, I reject his words as I would reject the words of a demon mocking someone who lost their faith.


28 posted on 01/29/2014 7:37:39 AM PST by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: Biggirl

I completely understand that China is now the world’s biggest exporter.

Bigger than America. Biggest anywhere.

What I am saying is that huge, increasingly assertive nation is COMMUNIST.

They are a closed society. Foreigners cannot participate, except as minorities.

Foreigners cannot buy land there.

China is a massive, closed society. Republicans need to bring American money back to America.

China is no longer developing. (well they are developing, but they are completely developed at the same time)

America needs to manufacture things.

Right here.


29 posted on 01/29/2014 7:38:31 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: marshmallow

The sad reality is that after 70+ years of godless Communism, the Russian people today are less rooted in their religious traditions than the West and therefore more vulnerable/sensitive to outside influences.

The Orthodox church in Russia deserves credit for sounding a warning about the expansion of a corrupt and decadent western culture, regardless which political figures co-opt the message.


30 posted on 01/29/2014 7:38:53 AM PST by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Here is what I have found, it will floor you:

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/08/26-years-of-growth-shanghai-then-and-now/100569/

Shanghai then and now.


31 posted on 01/29/2014 7:39:39 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Yes is is pretty incredible that the entire globe has sent money there, to build up a huge manufacturing nation.

I know China is huge. I know America is sold out.

That is what I am afraid of.

America needs to return American industry, right here.


32 posted on 01/29/2014 7:41:32 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: EAGLE7

We brought ourselves to were we are all by ourselves.


33 posted on 01/29/2014 7:42:12 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The tower that is going up on the right side, will be second to the one in Dubbi, UAE I believe.


34 posted on 01/29/2014 7:43:27 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: EAGLE7

I have to not agree with you, even those who mock, like it or not, often the Lord speaks to us.


35 posted on 01/29/2014 7:45:25 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

What I am pointing out, is that China’s miracle economy is attained by a closed communist nation.

China is not America.

China is closed. Communist. China is now the world’s largest exporter.

China is winning.

We are helping them. American conservatives, are now on the side opposing America.

We are on the wrong side.


36 posted on 01/29/2014 7:46:23 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ( http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
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To: Biggirl

Ultimately we are responsible, I agree. But the process of ideological subversion and psychological warfare is powerful. It can only be defended against if a critical number of people targeted for subversion are AWARE of what is occurring. It’s similar to hypnosis or Neuro-linguistic programming. One is less likely to be influenced by such methods if they are aware of the process.


37 posted on 01/29/2014 7:47:22 AM PST by EAGLE7 (They MAY take our lives but they'll never take our freedom!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

It was all that trade.


38 posted on 01/29/2014 7:47:29 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: LowTaxesEqualsProsperity

Great nations don’t allow foreign owned corporations to influence government policy.


39 posted on 01/29/2014 7:48:46 AM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: All

When your enemies speak really bad of you, you know you are in trouble.


40 posted on 01/29/2014 7:49:14 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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