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To: PhilipFreneau
I fail to see your logic ... killed by preterists ?

No, no, no, the unbroken chain from the Apostles through their fathered disciples testifies that all the prophecy has not been fulfilled. The martyrs in the next three centuries were still waiting for the imminent return of the LORD Jesus Christ, the glorious Messiah, who said And I will poor upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. God is going to require a day of repentance from national Israel, every Jew who survives the Time of Jacob's Trouble, and then, and only then, all Israel will be saved. Only our Father in heaven knows the day and hour, and when it happens everyone will know. There will be no doubt, no more books from Gentry, no more reforming theology, just an overflowing of riches from the national redemption of Israel, and the certain judgment and rule of our Messiah on this earth, and the next new one.

859 posted on 02/07/2014 8:53:23 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: af_vet_1981

Poor => pour, this tablet’s software conspires against us :-)


860 posted on 02/07/2014 8:54:54 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: af_vet_1981
>>>No, no, no, the unbroken chain from the Apostles through their fathered disciples testifies that all the prophecy has not been fulfilled. The martyrs in the next three centuries were still waiting for the imminent return of the LORD Jesus Christ, the glorious Messiah, who said And I will poor upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. <<<

Zechariah 12:10-14 was fulfilled on the day of Christ's crucifixion:

"Then came the soldiers, and brake the legs of the first, and of the other which was crucified with him. But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs: But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water. And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe. For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken. And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced." (John 19:32-37 KJV)

"In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon" (Zechariah 12:11)

"And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him." (Luke 23:27 KJV)

Great multitudes, of thousands upon thousands, had come to Christ during his ministry, and they followed him everywhere:

"When he was come down from the mountain, great multitudes followed him." (Mat 8:1 KJV)

You will find references to the multitudes throughout the gospels. Would they not be at his crucifixion, in mourning?

>>>God is going to require a day of repentance from national Israel, every Jew who survives the Time of Jacob's Trouble, and then, and only then, all Israel will be saved. <<<

Then why the following in the days of Christ? Was it really necessary?

"… I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." (Mat 15:24 KJV)

"I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." (John 10:14-16 KJV)

"These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give." (Mat 10:5-8 KJV)

"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come." (Mat 10:22-23 KJV)

There is that pesky "in your lifetime" prediction by Jesus. And was that not Jesus fulfilling this prophecy?

"And they were scattered, because there is no shepherd: and they became meat to all the beasts of the field, when they were scattered. My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of the earth, and none did search or seek after them." (Eze 34:5-6 KJV)

"For thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out." (Eze 34:11 KJV)

"I will seek that which was lost, and bring again that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but I will destroy the fat and the strong; I will feed them with judgment." (Eze 34:16 KJV)

The "face of the earth" was the Roman Empire:

"And it came to pass in those days, that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be taxed." (Luke 2:1 KJV)

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." (Mark 16:15 KJV)

"So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world." (Rom 10:17-18 KJV)

"If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;" (Col 1:23 KJV)

Since Jesus sent his disciples to gather his lost sheep, and only a remnant was saved, then the "all Israel," that Paul spoke of, is simply another way of saying, "Jesus gathered the lost sheep from Judah and Israel into one fold:"

"And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, … And he shall... assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth." (Isa 11:10-12 KJV)

And at the first resurrection, in AD 70, is when he gathered them from the four corners of the earth, and beyond:

"And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven." (Mark 13:27 KJV)

Note he also gathers some from heaven. The prophets, along with the apostles, serve as foundations of the holy temple, and of course he mentioned the patriarchs. Therefore, the 144,000 who were the firstfruits, were comprised of the holy and blameless elect (the remnant) and the holy men of old. They are the foundation, servants, and priests to the high priest of my faith, and are all Israel: the Chosen People. There are no other chosen people: only the faithful remnant that Christ resurrected to serve him.

Therefore, using today's terminology, Christianity is a Jewish religion. But it contains all the tribes of Israel, not just Benjamin and Judah, which were the Jews. More exact, Christianity is the religion of the house of Jacob.

>>>Only our Father in heaven knows the day and hour, and when it happens everyone will know.<<<

But one could know the week, month, year, etc..

>>>There will be no doubt, no more books from Gentry, no more reforming theology, just an overflowing of riches from the national redemption of Israel, and the certain judgment and rule of our Messiah on this earth, and the next new one.<<<

It has already happened. We simply have to stop and smell the roses, and stop feeding the devil. The healing stream that flows from calvary's mountain has done a lot of marvellous things; but we are so spoiled we do not even realize it.

Philip

871 posted on 02/07/2014 1:34:47 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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