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To: PhilipFreneau
Per your comments in 162, you wrote 6 million Jews in the Holocaust were persecuted and exterminated because of prophetic judgment, the sins of their fathers. Do you dispute the 6 million figure ?

In 188 you went on to write that they cannot be Jews unless they are born again Christians and that if not they belong to the synagouge of Satan. Then you have the dissembling audacity to write "Where did I say there are no Jews ?" I never wrote that you are antisemitic; the doctrine you are caught up in is antisemitic on its face. It is very much in line with the Islamic view. The only Israel your doctrine recognizes is a heavenly one; it denies a current physical nation of Israel on planet Earth, any promises to that nation, and of course supports disinvestment of that nation. Any genocide of that nation is a consequence of the sins of their fathers and a fulfillment of prophecy. Your doctrine teaches these Jews are forever cursed and their promises taken away and given to your church. Replacement Theology in a nutshell;
484 posted on 02/05/2014 6:43:28 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: af_vet_1981
>>>Per your comments in 162, you wrote 6 million Jews in the Holocaust were persecuted and exterminated because of prophetic judgment, the sins of their fathers. Do you dispute the 6 million figure ? <<<

Are you trying to stir up something with your innuendo? My words in 162 stand exactly as written. I recommend everyone read that post.

Moses prophesied that great evil would befall the children of Israel in the last days because of their own evil. God routinely used evil nations to punish Israel's evil. It is plain as day in the old Testament.

Do you have another interpretation?

>>>In 188 you went on to write that they cannot be Jews unless they are born again Christians and that if not they belong to the synagouge of Satan. Then you have the dissembling audacity to write "Where did I say there are no Jews ?"<<

This is just an observation that I would like you to confirm or deny: are you trying to rewrite the Word of God? Are you uncomfortable with the Word of God? When the Word of God says we are all one blood, does that bother you? Are you a racist?

"God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;" (Acts 17:24-26 KJV)

I strongly recommend you study that passage, in particular the highlighted part.

>>>Your doctrine teaches these Jews are forever cursed and their promises taken away and given to your church. Replacement Theology in a nutshell;<<<

Your doctrine might say that, but mine doesn't. Besides, I am unsure I even know what replacement theology means, except that dispensationalists use is as some sort of smear tactic. Are you dispensationalist?

My family has been very blessed. For that fact alone, I know that Jews who convert to Christ are not cursed, or are no longer cursed. If there is any doctrine that is anti-Jew, it is dispensationalism. They, (unknowningly,) have placed a stumblingblock in front of those who adhere to the doctrine of Judaism, by convincing many that their way is still the way to salvation. That thinking is so "upside-down" it is beyond belief how anyone every came up with it. Yet many are taught that from childhood, thanks to the false "dual-covenant" doctrine of dispensationalism (I do know that that means.)

I want to make this crystal clear: the Church is going nowhere. It is eternal. It will be with us forever, from one generation to the next. Anyone that teaches otherwise is a false teacher.

In summary, the Church is eternal, and Jews that remain in Judaism and do not accept Christ will be destroyed, as Moses prophesied. I will post Moses' words again since you seem to have trouble putting what I write into context:

"For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people." (Acts 3:22-23 KJV)

How do you interpret that? Was Moses lying? I eagerly await your answer.

When trying to figure out "replacement theology," in relation to the doctrine of dispensationalism (since they are the only ones who seem to know what it means,) that phrase appears to be used as a attempt to smear anyone who believes that Jesus Christ fulfilled the old covenant(s). The Word of God says Jesus did fulfill them. Is that why you are trying to smear me? Do you not believe Jesus fulfilled the old covenants?

>>>I never wrote that you are antisemitic; the doctrine you are caught up in is antisemitic on its face.<<<

You are saying the Word of God is anti-semitic? That I am anti-semitic? It is impossible for me to be anti-semitic, unless I hate myself.

I think your dispensational desire that all to be true you have been taught thoughout your life has clouded your judgement. For that reason, you smear anyone that opposes anything in your indoctrination. It will not work with me.

>>>It is very much in line with the Islamic view.<<<

How could that be? The Islamic religion is also antichristian. I am opposed to any religion that believes that Christ is not God the Father, which is the spirit of antichrist. John made that very clear:

"For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds." (2 Jn 1:7-11 KJV)

If I were you, knowing what I know now, I would truly study that last, highlighted verse until I understood it.

>>>Any genocide of that nation is a consequence of the sins of their fathers and a fulfillment of prophecy.<<<

Read it again. Moses said Israel's sins would lead to judgement against them. If they are still Israel, then their sins caused all the judgements against them. The only way your doctrine would apply is if they are no longer Israel, which is anathema to a dispensationalist. You are going to have to learn to deal with the plain Words of God.

Jesus said the Jews of his day had the same sins as their fathers, and would prove it, which they did. They not only killed Jesus, but many of his apostles and saints.

I can understand you being uncomfortable with the Word of God. It caused me major grief. A lot of those of Israel that Jesus, Moses and the prophets was referring to were my relatives. But I learned to deal with it, once I realize the blessings available from Jesus Christ. You might too, if you would only accept him. And to accept him, you have to accept his Word:

"He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day." (John 12:48 KJV)

If you don't come to Christ you will be cursed. That applies to all, since we are all one blood.

Philip

485 posted on 02/05/2014 8:13:46 AM PST by PhilipFreneau
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