Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: metmom

Re 237; by your circular reasoning no one can be certain he is a believer/saved; it is interesting how you reason that unrepentant believers were never saved; I don’t think that Ted Kennedy was a penitent Catholic, but he was certainly not a Catholic priest or other religious leader. He was a politician, one rank below, well, you know.


241 posted on 01/28/2014 8:08:46 AM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 237 | View Replies ]


To: af_vet_1981
Re 237; by your circular reasoning no one can be certain he is a believer/saved;

A few hundred million Christians will disagree with you on that...And that includes me...

Instead of saying people can't know, I'd be wondering (worrying) why they claim they know they are saved while I know I'm not...

245 posted on 01/28/2014 8:25:06 AM PST by Iscool
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 241 | View Replies ]

To: af_vet_1981
by your circular reasoning no one can be certain he is a believer/saved

These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God (1 John 5:13).

247 posted on 01/28/2014 9:05:27 AM PST by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 241 | View Replies ]

To: af_vet_1981
Re 237; by your circular reasoning no one can be certain he is a believer/saved; it is interesting how you reason that unrepentant believers were never saved;

No. We cannot be certain of anyone else's salvation because we don't know their heart. Only God does.

I don’t think that Ted Kennedy was a penitent Catholic, but he was certainly not a Catholic priest or other religious leader. He was a politician, one rank below, well, you know.

God is no respecter of persons.

Although there is more accountability to those who have more light, more knowledge, He is not impressed with our credentials.

248 posted on 01/28/2014 9:13:37 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 241 | View Replies ]

To: af_vet_1981
don’t think that Ted Kennedy was a penitent Catholic,

Yet he was treated as a member in life and in death, even receiving an ecclesiastical funeral, Canon 915 being interpreted as not disallowing it, and a recent letter Ted wrote to the Pope to the pope, delivered by Obama (if the ACLU ever knew) who gave the eulogy, was read at his graveside, in which he ]Kennedy] insolently asserts he “never failed to believe and respect the fundamental teachings” of his church, and tried to be a faithful Catholic, etc..

The closest thing we get to any kind of contrition is the ambiguous, “I know that I have been an imperfect human being, but with the help of my faith, I have tried to right my path” [evidence needed!], before he goes on to to defend his wonderful works, including universal health care. Not a word of remorse about supporting abortion or promoting homosexual rights, or indolence and a welfare state.

In his response, the pope did not censure him at all, but in the response, written, as usual, through a senior Vatican official, it states,

“He was saddened to know of your illness, and has asked me to assure you of his concern and his spiritual closeness. He is particularly grateful for your promise of prayers for him and for the needs of the universal Church."

The Holy Father has read the letter which you entrusted to President Barack Obama, who kindly presented it to him during their recent meeting. His Holiness prays that in the days ahead you may be sustained in faith and hope, and granted the precious grace of joyful surrender to the will of God our merciful Father. He invokes upon you the consolation and peace promised by the Risen Savior to all who share in His sufferings and trust in His promise of eternal life.

Commending you and the members of your family to the loving intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary, the Holy Father cordially imparts his Apostolic Blessing as a pledge of wisdom, comfort and strength in the Lord." "(http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/29/ted-kennedy-to-pope-benedict-i-am-writing-with-deep-humility/)

Sounds like everything was copacetic. However, if he had converted and become a very conservative evangelical, then i am sure real concern for his soul would have been expressed.

258 posted on 01/28/2014 12:44:39 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 241 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson