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To: CynicalBear
Claiming that we need to “pay for our sins in purgatory” is denying Christ.

Yes. Hebrews 10:10 is clear. Either Christ's sacrifice was enough, or it wasn't. If it wasn't, God's power to cancel sin is being denied, which is blasphemy. If it was enough, there's no need for any purgatory.

132 posted on 01/27/2014 6:43:33 PM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg

We are paying for the reparation that WE did not do on earth. Like saying “I’m sorry” to someone we had hurt. Or not forgiving someone who hurt us.


147 posted on 01/27/2014 7:09:09 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
Yes. Hebrews 10:10 is clear. Either Christ's sacrifice was enough, or it wasn't. If it wasn't, God's power to cancel sin is being denied, which is blasphemy. If it was enough, there's no need for any purgatory.

Purgatory is simply not taught in Scripture

1. We are forgiven of all sins when we become born again (Col. 2:13), and that for those who die in the faith there is no further punishment, except the loss of rewards.  and with that the grievous disapproval of the Lord. Thus Paul labored to gain full approval. Yet such will be saved despite the loss the of works - the manner of material one built the church with - being burned up, not because of them.

I think the material that is burned up is the result of such things as not building the church directly or indirectly, in dependence upon God or not in accordance with His word or led by His Spirit (1Cor. 3:8-15). Think Osteen if he is even saved. But it is his works which are burnt by the fire, not the person being purified. And yet which does not occur until the Lord's return.

2. All the verses which clearly speak of a N.T. believer's postmortem condition (Luke 23:43; Acts 7:59; 1Cor. 15:52; 2 Cor 5:8; Phil. 1:23; 1 Th 4:17; 1Jn. 3:2) show it is with the Lord, in whose presence there is fulness of joy (Ps. 16:11).

3. The Bible states that it is the chastening of the Lord in this life that works to make us holy (Heb. 12), and keep or bring us back to saving faith, that we be not "condemned with the world" (1Cor. 11:34), and thus judgment begins at the house of God (1Pt. 4:17). 

And in such texts that deal with the issue of chastening, nothing is even intimated of a postmortem period of such for New Testament believers, though different degrees of  authority and glory (Mt. 13:43; 16:27; 19:28; Mk. 10:40; 1Cor. 15:41; Rv. 5:4; 20:4) seems evident, in accordance with every man being rewarded according to his own labor in the Lord (1Cor. 3:8).

 4. It is the flesh in which no good thing dwells (Rm. 7:18) and which cannot be made subject to the law of God (Rm. 8:7) that is the problem, but which is not going to be purified, but is to be crucified (Rm. 6). And it is those that long to be freed from this "bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God," that "hunger and thirst after righteousness," rather than to seeking to fufil their lusts, that constitute true believers.  And having resisted the world, the flesh and the devil, overcoming enough so that they died in the faith (as the Lord searches the hearts and the rein

179 posted on 01/27/2014 7:48:23 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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