Testimonies from ex-Roman Catholic Priests

CARM ^ | 1997 | Richard Bennet

[af_vet_1981]

There was a huge gap!

From the crushing of Yeshua’s Way in the early 4th century by Constantine’s systematic persecution of all that followed Torah, there is a clear gap that is more than a millennium long. Rome crushed the worship of Yeshua, replacing it with gussied-up sun god worship declared to be Christianity.

1. When did the gap end, and by which man ?
2. I repeat. There was no gap. God always has a remnant in every generation, among Israel and among the Church. Why do you believe Yeshua's prayer in John failed ? He is the Holy One of Israel and if he said it, it happened. I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
   I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
   They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
   Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
   As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
   And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
   Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
   That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
   And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

[editor-surveyor]

Nothing ends because of any man.

The Holy Spirit leads those that are the elect to study the word and teachers rise out of that work.

There never was any apostolic or pastoral succession, ever.

[verga]

I asked nothing I made a simple declarative statement. There was no question mark after my comment. Just as there is none after any of these.

[editor-surveyor]

Yeshua’s sheep have no need to post long lists of what they believe; all they have to do is say I believe Yeshua!

No latin chants, no Greek quips, no scripture twisting creeds, just what Yeshua said.

[BlueDragon]

game-time now, is it?

as expected.

[editor-surveyor]

Gotta love that rainbow flag.

Believe in the rainbow and thou shall be saved, and thy house full of perverts.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “I can’t win an single convert, it is strictly up to the Holy Spirit.” <<

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Hard to argue with that.
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[af_vet_1981]

Ordination of teachers does nothing to preserve truth.

It mattered to Paul and he is the Apostle to the Gentiles. He taught Timothy and he told Timothy tell the next generation what, and what not, to teach.
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope; 2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord. 3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do. 5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned: 6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling; 7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm. 8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; 9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust. 12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief. 14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus. 15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. 16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting. 17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. 18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare; 19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck: 20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme.

The word is the sole source of Yehova’s truth.

Yes, but what does that mean ? There are thousands of denominations, sects, one man and one woman storefront shows interpreting "the word" in diverse ways. Then there are millions of individuals that can do the same. The Jewish Apostles (including every Jew who was with Yeshua from John's baptism of him until his ascension except Judas) were eyewitnesses, were given the Holy Spirit, were given the true doctrines, had Yeshua's personal promise and prayer, and passed the truth on to the next generation(s).

[editor-surveyor]

>> “The Romans killed Jesus..who was a Jew and only a Jew. So thinking they got rid of another threat to their power, the Romans instead made Jesus, the Jew, more powerful in death.

So instead of embracing Judaism..the religion of Jesus, the Romans created a religion in his name that they could control.

To sweeten the control pie, they added their version of events in book form and even added “interpreters” to keep the sheep further in line. Tricky little killing machine boogers those Romans.” <<

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Amen!

Catholicism in a nutshell!

[af_vet_1981]

Nothing ends because of any man. The Holy Spirit leads those that are the elect to study the word and teachers rise out of that work. There never was any apostolic or pastoral succession, ever.

Was there a Davidic succession, or was there a long gap ?Was it necessary that there be an unbroken line of succession from David to the Messiah, or would it be okay if The Holy Spirit leads those that are the elect to study the word and teachers the Messiah would rise out of that work ? Either the line is legitimate or it is illegitimate, and it has to be legitimate to be true. That is the same view I have of the Church.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “ interpreting “the word” in diverse ways.” <<

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No, you mean like the catholics, ignoring the word in creative ways.

“Few there be that find it.” Matthew 7:14

[editor-surveyor]

David’s succession was by Netzer, so perhaps the bride of Yeshua is the same.

[af_vet_1981]

You don’t trust television ministers simply because you cannot tell by whose authority they teach?

That is the principal reason. Most of them seem to answer only to themselves. Their finances are not transparent.

[verga]

No simply stating facts. BTW several of the protestants Freepmailed me that they noticed you did not respond to the scriptures I posted and have not used any in your rebuttals or comments. Also notice that there is no question and no one is forcing you to read or reply.

[editor-surveyor]

>> “That is the same view I have of the Church.” <<

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But Yeshua didn’t create any “church,” he created a Kehilla (congregation) that had only members, and no leader but himself (the Rock)

[BlueDragon]

more games, huh? right.

[mitch5501]

I do believe I know just how you feel BD.I came to the RF knowing next to nothing about the RC but after a decade and a half here I've learnt more than I wanted.

Good to see you back BTW!

[BlueDragon]

Thank you. And please forgive me for in the past, having let more than a few of your own comments directed to me go unanswered.

If I'm am ever fortunate enough to be able to travel your way, I would much like to meet and greet you.

[verga]

No, simply stating facts that require no response on your part.

[af_vet_1981]

It is my impression that you will not be taught as a disciple, but are determined to pick and find fault with Biblical nuggets which are being presented to you, as did the religionists, the Pharisees, of Jesus' day.

Taught as a disciple by you ? You have not even identified yourself and by whose authority you teach. What denomination do you represent ?

Christ warned his disciples to beware of the hypocrisy of the Pharisees, did He not? who preached but did not practice their religion? eh?

Yes, he warned us to Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees. which is why I ask which denomination you represent.