[Kansas58]

The BIBLE is a document created by the Catholic Church, PERIOD!
Yes, divinely inspired but PUBLISHED FIRST by the Roman Catholic Church!

This Presbyterian author tried to prove otherwise, but later CONVERTED to the Catholic Church:

http://www.amazon.com/Where-Bible-Debt-Catholic-Church/dp/0895551373

Prior to Catholic Church publication of the entire “Bible” only separate manuscripts existed.

The Catholic Church decided what would be included and not included in the first formal Bible.

The Bible never refers to the Bible. Not once. For the first 200+ years of Christian history THERE WAS NO COMPLETE BIBLE ANYWHERE!

There is NO reasonable debate on this issue. The Catholic Church was divinely inspired to CREATE the first Bible.

None at all.

[CynicalBear]

See my post 82.

[Elsie]

The Bible never refers to the Bible. Not once.

Oh??

I suggest you read reply #102.

You'll find MANY references to what had been 'written' before: The BIBLE referring to the BIBLE.