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To: daniel1212

From your link:

“Substantiation for this understanding of the gospel came principally from the Scriptures, but whenever they could, the reformers also quoted the fathers of the catholic church. There was more to quote than their Roman opponents found comfortable” (Pelikan 48-49).”

Such is what I have also found in my readings of them, and the great irony of the Catholic religion, which always boasts of being historic, of having a succession from day one. And this is so obvious that all one needs to do is open up a single book from one of these church fathers, and with that opening, almost as deadly as that of opening the Bible, the Catholic church comes tumbling down all over again.


175 posted on 01/25/2014 11:23:24 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
“Substantiation for this understanding of the gospel came principally from the Scriptures, but whenever they could, the reformers also quoted the fathers of the catholic church.

That's what the book; known generally as the BIBLE; compiled by Rome, seems to indicate:

Acts 17:11
Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.



Now the ROMAN Catholics were of even MORE noble character than those in Berea, for they received the message with great eagerness and relied one what they'd been told every day to see if what the CHURCH said was true.

179 posted on 01/26/2014 3:18:24 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Whatya gonna believe?

What you’ve been TOLD or what some silly books say?


180 posted on 01/26/2014 3:19:17 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
There is more.

Consider the election of Pope Damasus 1, who is officially a Roman Catholic Church "saint."

On the death of Liberius on 24 September 366, one faction supported Ursinus (or Ursicinus), who had served as deacon to Liberius, while another faction, previously loyal to the Antipope Felix II, supported Damasus. The upper-class partisans of Felix supported the election of Damasus, but the opposing supporters of Liberius, the deacons and laity, supported Ursinus. The two were elected simultaneously (Damasus' election was held in San Lorenzo in Lucina) in an atmosphere of rioting. - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Damasus_I#Succession_crisis

Oxford historian J. N. D. Kelly (whom RCAs sometimes quote) writes that Damasus hired a gang of thugs that stormed the Julian Basilica, carrying out a three day massacre of the Ursinians. - Kelly, J. N. D. (1989). The Oxford Dictionary of Popes. USA: Oxford University Press. pp. 32,34

And this from RC Eamon Duffy FBA, FSA, Irish Professor of the History of Christianity and past member of the Pontifical Historical Commission:

Since the mid third century there had been a growing assimilation of Christian and secular culture. It is already in evidence long before Constantine with the art of the Christian burial sites round the city, the catacombs. With the imperial adoption of Christianity, this process accelerated. In Damasus’ Rome, wealthy Christians gave each other gifts in which Christian symbols went alongside images of Venus, nereids and sea-monsters, and representations of pagan-style wedding-processions. - Eamon Duffy , author of "10 Popes Who Shook the World," etc.

More .

181 posted on 01/26/2014 3:49:18 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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