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To: PetroniusMaximus

“Peter, you are rock, and upon this rock I will build my Church”

Peter was the first Pope.

The Vatican has custody of St Peter’s remains. Under St. Peter’s Basilica.


16 posted on 01/25/2014 7:36:57 AM PST by Kansas58
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To: Kansas58; PetroniusMaximus

So the authority of the Catholic church is dependent on Scripture to support it?

And Catholics argue against the absolute authority of Scripture and then appeal to it to back up many of their doctrines.

That’s called *hypocrisy*.


22 posted on 01/25/2014 7:46:35 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Kansas58

“Peter was the first Pope.”

And how do you know this, authoritatively.

How do you know Pete as first Pope isn’t just a myth - even if you have his bones?


24 posted on 01/25/2014 7:48:20 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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To: Kansas58; Elsie

Five verses after the verse you cite (Matthew 16:18), Christ refers to Peter as Satan, not on the side of God but of men (Matthew 16:23). Christ would not build His church on a foundation on the shifting sand of human frailty.

Jesus Christ was the Rock on which the Church was built as the Chief Cornerstone of Ephesians 2:10, not Peter.

But don’t take my word for it — take Peter’s, in 1 Peter 2:7 (”the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner”).


27 posted on 01/25/2014 8:01:32 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: Kansas58; PetroniusMaximus

““Peter, you are rock, and upon this rock I will build my Church””

Hey Kansas, are you deliberately misquoting what Jesus said in Matthew 16:18 to make your point?

Peter means ‘stone’ (think pebble). Jesus Himself is the Rock on which He built/is building His church.

And lest someone say I am quoting below from a ‘Protestant’ Bible, this is from the 1899 Douay-Rheims Bible...

Matthew 16:13-19 DRB “And Jesus came into the quarters of Cesarea Philippi: and he asked his disciples, saying: Whom do men say that the Son of man is? (14) But they said: Some John the Baptist, and other some Elias, and others Jeremias, or one of the prophets. (15) Jesus saith to them: But whom do you say that I am? (16) Simon Peter answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. (17) And Jesus answering said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. (18) And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. (19) And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.”


212 posted on 01/26/2014 3:15:50 PM PST by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: Kansas58; PetroniusMaximus

Shimon Ben Yona, you are Kefa (petros, pebble) and upon this Rock (Yeshua himself) I will build my Kehilla (congregation, assembly)

His assembly has no leaders or authority but Yeshua himself.

And please stop vilifying Peter with the pagan title, pope.


224 posted on 01/26/2014 7:09:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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