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To: CynicalBear

Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham, Abel, All the prophets ...God chosen people by his own words...are they denied heaven as well?


223 posted on 01/24/2014 10:47:20 AM PST by bike800
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To: bike800
>>Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham, Abel, All the prophets ...God chosen people by his own words...are they denied heaven as well?<<

Nice try but if you don’t understand the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament after Christ’s death and resurrection you really need to study that.

227 posted on 01/24/2014 11:25:50 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: bike800

“Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham, Abel, All the prophets ...God chosen people by his own words...are they denied heaven as well?”

This should address your question and reinforce how one from Garden explosion to Noah’s ark to today and beyond are justified.

Romans 4:1-25 NASB

What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? “A braham believed G od , and it was credited to him as righteousness .”

Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness, just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works: “B lessed are those whose lawless deeds have been forgiven , A nd whose sins have been covered . “B lessed is the man whose sin the Lord will not take into account .” Is this blessing then on the circumcised, or on the uncircumcised also? For we say, “F aith was credited to A braham as righteousness .” How then was it credited? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised?

Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised; and he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while uncircumcised, so that he might be the father of all who believe without being circumcised, that righteousness might be credited to them, and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also follow in the steps of the faith of our father Abraham which he had while uncircumcised. For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

For this reason it is by faith, in order that it may be in accordance with grace, so that the promise will be guaranteed to all the descendants, not only to those who are of the Law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, (as it is written, “A father of many nations have I made you “) in the presence of Him whom he believed, even God, who gives life to the dead and calls into being that which does not exist.

In hope against hope he believed, so that he might become a father of many nations according to that which had been spoken, “S o shall your descendants be .” Without becoming weak in faith he contemplated his own body, now as good as dead since he was about a hundred years old, and the deadness of Sarah’s womb; yet, with respect to the promise of God, he did not waver in unbelief but grew strong in faith, giving glory to God, and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform. Therefore it was also credited to him as righteousness .

Now not for his sake only was it written that it was credited to him, but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead, He who was delivered over because of our transgressions, and was raised because of our justification.


312 posted on 01/24/2014 3:31:44 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: bike800
>>>Adam and Eve, Moses, Abraham, Abel, All the prophets ...God chosen people by his own words...are they denied heaven as well?<<<

I am not sure if that is a question, but I am certain all the holy men of old are saved. When Jesus said the following he barely avoided being stoned:"

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am." (John 8:58)

The Jews understand that Christ was claiming to be the Lord; and they considered his words blasphemy. Little did they know that it was Christ speaking to Moses out of the burning bush.

This verse mentions the heavenly destination of the patriarchs and prophets:

"But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out." (Luke 13:27-28)

This one declares the prophets, along with the apostles, to be the foundation of the holy temple:

"Now therefore ye [Jews and Gentiles] are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit." (Eph 2:19-22)

Philip

334 posted on 01/24/2014 5:15:03 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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