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To: NKP_Vet; Alex Murphy; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; redleghunter
You mean the 10 or 20 evangelicals in the country? Their number if miniscule compared to PRO-LIFE CATHOLICS. What is there about that you don’t understand?

Oh? So still trying to engage in your raw numbers spin as per your embarrassing last attempt at damage control in the light of the overwhelming evidence showing Catholics being far more liberal. And in which you tried to use raw numbers of Catholics versus single Prot denoms, rather than percentage, or even the numbers of evangelicals in total! By that method Roman clerics are exceedingly more prone to be pedophiles .

Now you try the same thing only to have it bite you again. For without providing any substantiation (how can you, since you see surveys as unreliably biased), you assert have pro-life Catholics (PLCs) are far more numerous than (prolife i assume) evangelicals.

Yet another RC just tried to argue the other day that evangelicals were more responsible for liberals getting elected since they have greater impact!

In addition even if your raw numbers assertion of PLCs could be proven true, which we will get to in a minute, then using raw numbers to determine impact would make Catholics more responsible for abortion since they vote more liberal in both numbers and percentage than evangelicals.

As for determining how many PLCs there are versus prolife evangelicals, i will provide some data to chew on before i go to bed. We must first try to reasonably ascertain how many of each there are.

In so doing, we have the fairly standard figure of approx. 80 million Evangelicals (26% of a 313 million U.S. population) in America (though others range from have an est 60-100 million), making up 26% of Prot. churches, which make up 51% of all churches in the US.

Then we have the standard figure of approx. 75 million Catholics which make up 51% of all churches in the US.

Thus the figure between the two parties are close, but we have not worked at determining how many of each are pro life. In so doing it would be easiest to start by restricting each to whites, not because i am racist but because blacks and Latinos typically vote liberal.

Not counting blacks would eliminate 6% of evangelicals (15% of blacks), and 5% of Catholics.

53% of black evangelicals and 35% of black Catholics say that abortion should be illegal.

Blacks constituted approx. 13% of the electorate in 2012. Black Protestants were 9% of the electorate, and Hispanic Catholics 5%

Latinos make up an est. 15% of evangelicals, and 32% of Catholics. 51% of Hispanic Catholics ">and 70% of Latino evangelicals say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases

Latinos account for 11% of the nation’s eligible electorate [2012], with 57% being Catholic.

Getting down to white Catholics and white evangelicals, 54% of the former and 64% of the latter say [2011-2012] abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.

Among all Catholics and evangelicals (racial stats not given) who attend services weekly or more, 58% of Catholics and 73% of evangelicals say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases.

Overall, white Evangelicals (23% of the electorate) voted 79%/20% Romney/Obama; Protestants overall (53% of the electorate) voted 57%/42%; black Protestants (9% of the electorate) and other Christian voted 5%/95%; Catholics overall (25% of the electorate) voted 48%/50%; white Catholics (18% of the electorate) voted 59%/40%; and Hispanic Catholics (5% of the electorate) voted 21%/75% Romney/Obama http://www.pewforum.org/Politics-and-Elections/How-the-Faithful-Voted-2012-Preliminary-Exit-Poll-Analysis.aspx

Miscl. other stats:

26 percent of Catholics (2007) polled strongly agree with the Church's unequivocal position on abortion; 46 percent of Catholics who say they attend mass weekly accept Church teaching on abortion; - Catholic World Report: survey by Roper Center.

77% of Catholics polled "believe Catholics can have abortions and remain in good standing. 1999 poll by the National Catholic Reporter. http://www.catholictradition.org/v2-bombs14b.htm

Majorities of Catholics support issues traditionally considered planks of the Democratic Party platform: universal healthcare, pro-labor policies, access to abortion, and social welfare programs for the poor. - http://cara.georgetown.edu/NewsandPress/PressReleases/pr061808.pdf

Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than Protestants. http://www.catholicleague.org/catholic-women-and-abortion/

It is too late for me to crunch numbers here to come up with a estimate of how many PLCs versus PLEs their are, but the latter are hardly miniscule in comparison, and overall remain the most conservative block. Moreover, your classification of PLCs is meaningless as a comparison btwn Rome and others, for as said, both liberal and PLCs are treated as members in life and in death.

33 posted on 01/22/2014 9:06:15 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212

From your own BS numbers, dissected by Bill Donohue of the Catholic League. I can’t believe you would actually use the Catholic League to try and prove Catholics abort babies more than protestants.

You also use stats compiled by the LIBERAL website National Catholic Reporter. Your credibility is just about shot to hell.

http://www.catholicleague.org/catholic-women-and-abortion/

In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than Protestants. The study also concluded that about half of American women will have an abortion at some point in their lives. The gist of the findings is that a) the Catholic Church’s teachings on abortion are falling on deaf ears and b) abortion is becoming a common procedure among women. But there is more to this than what the public has been left to believe.

To begin with, in virtually every newspaper account on this story, there was no mention of the fact that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the nation’s leading abortion rights organization that receives tens of millions each year from the federal government to service its mission. This is not to say that the Guttmacher researchers “cooked” the data, but it is to say that readers should be as suspect of their work as they would if the Pentagon had a research arm that produced studies indicating the need for an arms buildup.

If the Guttmacher Institute were truly interested in assessing the relationship between religion and abortion, it would have asked the women who listed a Catholic affiliation whether they were regular Church-goers. But they didn’t. Nor did they ask those women whether they agreed with the Church’s teachings on abortion. It is not unreasonable to assume that had such questions been asked, the results would not have been quite so dramatic.

And you also don’t mention that MOST ABORTIONS in this country are black babies, which I can guarantee you most are definitely not Catholic.


34 posted on 01/22/2014 9:27:24 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office" ~ Aesop)
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