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To: daniel1212

From your own BS numbers, dissected by Bill Donohue of the Catholic League. I can’t believe you would actually use the Catholic League to try and prove Catholics abort babies more than protestants.

You also use stats compiled by the LIBERAL website National Catholic Reporter. Your credibility is just about shot to hell.

http://www.catholicleague.org/catholic-women-and-abortion/

In a study by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, it was reported that Catholic women have an abortion rate 29 percent higher than Protestants. The study also concluded that about half of American women will have an abortion at some point in their lives. The gist of the findings is that a) the Catholic Church’s teachings on abortion are falling on deaf ears and b) abortion is becoming a common procedure among women. But there is more to this than what the public has been left to believe.

To begin with, in virtually every newspaper account on this story, there was no mention of the fact that the Alan Guttmacher Institute is the research arm of Planned Parenthood, the nation’s leading abortion rights organization that receives tens of millions each year from the federal government to service its mission. This is not to say that the Guttmacher researchers “cooked” the data, but it is to say that readers should be as suspect of their work as they would if the Pentagon had a research arm that produced studies indicating the need for an arms buildup.

If the Guttmacher Institute were truly interested in assessing the relationship between religion and abortion, it would have asked the women who listed a Catholic affiliation whether they were regular Church-goers. But they didn’t. Nor did they ask those women whether they agreed with the Church’s teachings on abortion. It is not unreasonable to assume that had such questions been asked, the results would not have been quite so dramatic.

And you also don’t mention that MOST ABORTIONS in this country are black babies, which I can guarantee you most are definitely not Catholic.


34 posted on 01/22/2014 9:27:24 PM PST by NKP_Vet ("We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office" ~ Aesop)
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To: NKP_Vet
You also use stats compiled by the LIBERAL website National Catholic Reporter. Your credibility is just about shot to hell.

Since you have yet to establish any, that would actually be higher than yours even if it was true, rather than being another desperate attempt to divert attention from your latest specious attempt at damage control.

Here, ignoring the continuing evidence that Catholics - which are your brethren as long as Rome treats them as members, whether you like it or not- are far more liberal than evangelicals,

and are certainly not a miniscule amount in caparison with PLCs, and after complaining about biased MSM, you focus on an old stat that was reported by a Catholic source, which of course must also be biased because it impugns Rome.

Liberal as they may be, this does not make them less reliable than the cultic Catholics as yourself who resort to the manner of sophistry that continues to be exposed.

I however did notice that 1996 29% figure that i had pasted with the micl ones first, and thought it questionable and old and meant to check it out as i usually do, but got tired after hours (it did take me that) of research.

Let us then look at Donohue and see if he is on the money.

Donohue attempts the same fallacious tactic as you, trying to eliminate the majority of Catholics by saying Guttmacher should determine who is such by whether they go to church weekly, which at best that is 41% (and both sides are said to lie).

Donohue also impugns Guttmacher because it is commissioned by PP, but which should trying to suppress the numbers of abortions, yet Donohue relies on Guttmacher stats on blacks as part of his focus on minorities, in seeking to get the Catholic figures down, but he still fails to prove his case.

Donohue next focuses on the Latinos, and states "fully 20 percent of Catholics belong to minority groups: 14 percent of Catholics are Hispanic," without providing any documentation. Yet i read (from Joseph Claude Harris, controller for the St. Vincent de Paul Society) by 1995 there were 55.5 million Catholics in the US, and 14.2 million were Hispanic. Do the math. And which is far more in line with what should be expected, and is higher now. Donohue evidently got 14 million and 14% mixed up. And as he affirms, Latino's abort rate is much higher than the average.

Donohue aso invokes stats on women who have no religious affiliation, as they are four times more likely than other women to have an abortion. But which is irrelevant as concerns whether Caths have a much higher rate of abortion than Prots, which Donohue fails to prove.

Addressing the question, "Do Catholic women get abortions more frequently than Protestant women?" Factcheckers states ,

The survey, the latest conducted by the Alan Guttmacher Institute, was completed by more than 10,000 women. Staffers in hospitals, clinics and physicians’ offices where abortions are performed distributed the questionnaire. The Guttmacher Institute, which researches sexual and reproductive health worldwide, says it used the survey data along with data on the number of abortions performed nationally to estimate abortion rates and the size of certain demographic groups. The institute found that more Protestant women obtained abortions than Catholics: Forty-three percent of women over age 17 in the 2000-2001 survey said they were Protestant, while 27 percent said they were Catholic. But Catholics were more likely to get an abortion: The abortion rate for Catholic women was 22 per 1,000 women; the rate for Protestants was 18 per 1,000 women, according to study author Rachel K. Jones.

13% of abortion patients describe themselves as born-again or Evangelical

As for the blacks, except for a remnant, due to the liberal lies that the culture largely bought, they are the most liberal and least Christian overall.

Sad that any get abortions

37 posted on 01/23/2014 6:59:25 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: NKP_Vet; daniel1212
Your credibility is just about shot to hell.

Now, NKP, fear of Truth makes one say/do things that screams of 'help' and posting negativityly of Daniel's credibility is just another scream for help.

NOTHING you or any other cathlics says will ever make catholicsm what 'their church' says it is. It's a fraud - and how many are willing to admit they were 'taken in' by fraud. It's time for catholics to SEE/HEAR the Truth and shame the devil. I did along with many others who were born into it did. You think it's easy to leave all you have ever known? YES, once you are open to Truth, Truth comes and there is no turning back and busy renewing one's mind to God's Word alone. Then you see how much deception there is in catholicsm and it does leave one unsaved. It's too late for silliness over numbers - busy work to defend the indefensible - think of yourself!

Yet Catholics choose to stay in spiritual blindness and then they fight/argue 'trying' to be right. It ain't gonna happen - a catholic only digs a deeper hole for themselves as they cement those 'wrong teachings' and one they won't be able to get out of. Many many have left the cult of catholicsm because their heart was right and wanted to know Truth for themselves and NOT what 'men' tells them. Learn from Genesis - believing anything other than what God says and you will be led astray and then inner fear takes over and they wrestle with numbers and try hard to find something redeeming about Catholicism. When does it stop for you?

One day, and I hope it is not when it is too late, that Daniel was your best friend leading you to Truth on a one to one. Fight/kick/scream/insult is all for naught because The Truth will not change.

38 posted on 01/23/2014 7:36:55 AM PST by presently no screen name
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