Verdict on Medjugorje nears as Commission claims apparitions are “no hoax” [Catholic Caucus]

Vatican Insider ^ | January 19, 2014

[NYer]

CATHOLIC CAUCUS

[Tax-chick]

There is apparently no proof of any tricks, hoaxes or abuse of popular credulity.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

[Legatus]

Not exactly a ringing endorsement.

It is however sufficient to vindicate the googooheads. I will end up talking myself out of the caucus if Medj gets the green light.

[brooklyn dave]

I think some of the prejudice against the apparitions stems more from an historical perspective rather than the veracity of the seers. Many people point to the role the local Franciscans may have played in support of the Nazi puppet regime during WW II. This I believe clouds whether the apparitions are real or not. And of course, diocesans and religious orders have always had their pissing contests.

[Tax-chick]

I have no strong interest either way, in the apparition. We're Guadalupanos at our house ;-).

The process is interesting, though, as is the reportage. For example, this headline says "Commission claims apparitions are 'no hoax'," while the text says, "no proof it's a hoax." Big difference.

[dangus]

Not very ringing, but it’s the most ringing endorsement possible, however, since the Church will not judge it authentic as long as the messages persist. And provisioning for pilgrims is a reversal of Muller, while Ruini’s observance of spiritual fruits is an absolute slapdown to the scandal-mongerers.

[fatima]

Here is a blog which follows up to date and in depth info on the Commission.

http://te-deum.blogspot.com/

[Tax-chick]

Thanks, that’s informative.

[fatima]

I am thinking of walking away from Ministry if it gets a green light.

[Salvation]

Have you ever been there?

I haven’t, but several friends, one a priest, have been there numerous times. Their stories are fascinating.

[Legatus]

My wife just said if the Blessed Mother is that banal we have serious problems. I agree.

[Legatus]

I haven’t been, but that’s like asking me if I’ve ever taken a voluntary trip to hell.

[fatima]

The writer for this article is very pro Medjugorje and has been slapped down before.

[Legatus]

The writer for this article is very pro Medjugorje and has been slapped down before.

Well that's a relief, hopefully he got it wrong again.

[fatima]

It’s called spin.I think the main question for the Commission is-what to do with all the souls that go there.If the Pope speaks on this or it is leaked to the Press it will be a negative.

[Mrs. Don-o]

"However, it is proving difficult for the Church to form a definitive verdict on the supernatural nature of a phenomenon that is ongoing."

I think it's in fact impossible to do so.

Call me skeptical.

[GOP Poet]

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[Dr. Sivana]

The writer for this article is very pro Medjugorje and has been slapped down before.

I don't doubt it. There is always soemthing "about to come out". Years ago, I was told by supporters that the matter was taken out of Bishop of Mostar Zanic's hands by the Vatican. I asked where this was stated.

"It's a secret!"

"Then how do you know?"

The abuse that the good Bishop of Mostar was subjected to was enough to put me off.

Dr. E. Micahel Jones' work on the matter for (defunct) Fidelity Magazine and later in two books showed plenty of problems, including self-contradiction and lies by the purported "seers". Or in the words of Vicka: "What I said did not exactly correspond to the truth."

[Salvation]

Interesting!