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Did God want to 'put His thumb on humanity' as Satan suggested to Eve in Genesis 3:1-5?
1/15/2014 | Laissez-Faire Capitalist

Posted on 01/15/2014 7:05:50 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist

Satan, in the Garden of Eden, speaking to Eve (through the serpent) said in Genesis 3:1-5 that if Eve would stretch forth her hand and eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil that she would not die, but would become as gods knowing good and evil.

Satan essentially proffered the idea to Eve that:

1.) God wanted to keep something from her (as well as Adam) and 2.) that God had lied to her when He told her that she would die.

Essentially, Satan said to Eve that God wanted to keep His thumb on Adam and Eve, and had constructed a lie to guarantee this and thereby keep them from eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. As well, Satan also said that eating of this tree would get them out from under God's thumb by making them as gods knowing good and evil.

The fallacy in Satan's argument is that if God indeed wanted to keep His thumb on Adam and Eve all God would have to have done is never make a tree of knowledge of good and evil in the first place.

If Eve had retorted to the serpent that no tree made in the first place means no ability to get what the serpent said they could get -- and God need only to make no tree in the first place to keep this from happening. Thus Eve could then say to the serpent (Satan) that he was a liar and that there was another reason for this particular tree (albeit unknown to her at that time).


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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
And being innocent isn’t tantamount to her being a dolt, either, or lacking the ability to ferreting out Satan’s faulty premise.

How old are you? And could you have figured this out as a young teen?

61 posted on 01/15/2014 11:55:29 AM PST by dragonblustar (Psalm 37:7)
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To: Nifster
Your description seems to be what many politicians are striving for. Its not love but power Satan wanted, sounds like many democrats and their polices are directly the opposite of the 10 commandants, covet the neighbors goods, adultery is no sin, all sexual sins are fine and dandy, there is no god so lets get such things out of the public square, the children are not children of God but of the government. In other words,all democrat policy is exact what Satan wants. That is why they are called the party of evil. And they are still telling Satan’s lies, eve and adam are still walking the earth in politics...democrats are telling lies to everyone or 1/2 lies that sound good to those that don't think or know how he works...poor fools, even many republicans...just my opinion.
62 posted on 01/15/2014 11:59:57 AM PST by goat granny
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Did Jesus walk away, or successfuly retort against Satan, when Satan said “If thou be the Son of God...”. Check and mate.

What a stupid response. Jesus, know all things, is able to respond to all lies. Eve, not knowing all things, or having a 'knowledge of good and evil", may not have known how to respond. She was expected to obey God, not win a debate.

63 posted on 01/15/2014 12:36:08 PM PST by aimhigh
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To: Nifster

Thanks. I will, although one should always try to falsify one’s theories, which is the measure by how well they stand, or not.

God’s grace to You and Yours.


64 posted on 01/15/2014 12:53:17 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug

since you do not believe in the same God that I do, it is rather pointless


65 posted on 01/15/2014 1:44:12 PM PST by Nifster
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To: goat granny

huh? where the heck are you coming from???


66 posted on 01/15/2014 1:46:06 PM PST by Nifster
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To: aimhigh

No, not a stupid response, and quit with the strawman argument.

You know as well as I that this is not about winning debates, and I never suggested such. You raised that to suit your diversionary purposes, we are to be obedient to God. Obedient, yes, but obedient and telling Satan how the cookie les isn’t out of order with God..


67 posted on 01/15/2014 2:03:37 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: aimhigh

It should also be considered that prior to the eating of the fruit, both Adam and Eve were innocent (and possibly naïve as a result).

That was the point of not knowing good and evil,
to be innocent of the knowledge of evil.


68 posted on 01/15/2014 2:05:34 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: aimhigh

Secondly, going back to verse 38, Jesus quoted God’s word in response to Satan when tempted and Eve should have done the same telling Satan that Satans words didn’t line up with God’s words - and it wouldn’t have hurt, either, to tell him how.


69 posted on 01/15/2014 2:08:32 PM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Nifster

The God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob, who became Israel. But, what you will.


70 posted on 01/15/2014 2:25:54 PM PST by onedoug
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To: onedoug

No if you are a monotheist you do not worship God as I understand Him.

The God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob that you refer to is a trinatarian God consisting of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Now IF you mean that God then I am sorry I jumped to a wrong conclusion. IF on the other hand you do not mean that God, then your blessing are kind words from you but with NO meaning for me


71 posted on 01/15/2014 4:13:26 PM PST by Nifster
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; aimhigh
Oops. “how the cookie crumbles...”

You know as well as I that there is a distinct difference between worldly knowledge and Godly knowledge, which you obscure with your broad brushstroke.

Jesus told Satan that “man shall...live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God.”

Words that proceeded out of the mouth of God (paraphrased): The day that you (Adam and Eve) eat of that fruit...you shall die.

It wouldn't be non-obedient for Eve to quote God's own words and then explain to Satan how he was lying. Why? Because...

...The Apostles knew how to walk and chew bubble-gum at the same time, that's why. They were obedient to God, yet confronted error and false doctrine with WORDS, both spoken and written.

Quit hiding behind Eve, and explain just how I am wrong in showing how Satan’s premise was flawed and in error.

72 posted on 01/16/2014 6:41:40 AM PST by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Nifster

sorry for not being clear. Just making the comparison between God’s laws (10 commandants) vs. Democrat policys that break every one. don’t understand how anyone that call themselves christian can be a democrat..or in the case of republicans, some of them are not much better, If I drifter off subject, sorry.....


73 posted on 01/16/2014 5:30:29 PM PST by goat granny
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To: goat granny

Got it. I agree. Some times my brain just misses the point no matter how clear. :)


74 posted on 01/16/2014 7:04:42 PM PST by Nifster
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