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To: jda
It’s interesting that both LDS and Muslims say that their “prophet” came because the world had strayed from the truth, that only their version of the “truth” is correct, and that their “holy book” “completes and corrects” the Bible.

The Muslims are of the tribe of Ismael I don't know much about them.

The LDS are of the Tribe of Joseph

Ezekiel Chapter 37

Ezekiel is shown the valley of dry bones—Israel will inherit the land in the Resurrection—The stick of Judah (the Bible) and the stick of Joseph (the Book of Mormon) will become one in the Lord’s hand—The children of Israel will be gathered and cleansed—David (the Messiah) will reign over them—They will receive the everlasting gospel covenant.

 The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,

 And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.

 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest.

 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord.

 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

 10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

 11 ¶Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

 12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

 13 And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

 14 And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

 15 ¶The word of the Lord came again unto me, saying,

 16 Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions:

 17 And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand.

 18 ¶And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?

 19 Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

 20 ¶And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

 21 And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:

 22 And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:

 23 Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God.

 24 And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

 25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

 26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.

 27 My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

 28 And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.


650 posted on 01/16/2014 1:00:02 PM PST by restornu
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To: restornu
>> The LDS are of the Tribe of Joseph<<

Prove it. And not from some writing by that adulterous murderer Smith.

652 posted on 01/16/2014 1:03:15 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: restornu; CynicalBear; Elsie; All
The LDS are of the Tribe of Joseph

Sorry, Restornu...you can't even convince other Mormons with this nonsense, let alone non-Mormons!

Mormon Rachel Bruner:

"In The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints every person is a descendant of Abraham through one of the twelve tribes of Israel, either by blood or through adoption, and a member's lineage is declared in their patriarchal blessing. A huge percentage of members are from Ephraim and Manasseh (the tribes chosen to preach the gospel to the world) but there are members around the world who are from the other tribes."
Poll: Which Tribe of Israel Are You From?

Sorry, but many Mormons do not claim to be from "the tribe of Joseph"...in their quest to be "literal Zion."

ALL: Mormons may be quite good at genealogy, but what you find when you get beyond a few centuries back is that only royalty tended to keep comprehensive genealogical records...and sorry, but Gutenberg's press wasn't invented til the latter part of the 15th century...and people weren't etching genealogical records in gold...

The overwhelming number of genealogies from antiquity have been lost to time -- and even a high % of those few recorded -- have been jeopardized by the ravages of fire, theft, misplacements, water/floods, natural erosion, and natural disasters.

So even Bruner's claim above -- that ALL Lds genealogy can be traced back to Abraham thru one of the 12 tribes -- is fraught with obvious falsehoods.

CynicalBear, Restornu can't prove she and ALL Mormons are from the "tribe of Joseph" -- unless you want to make it all about the "tribe of Joseph Smith"...of which, yes, they are indeed spiritual descendants.

And, yes, he needs all the spiritual descendants he can get...'cause frankly Emma took all the baby Josephs with her to the non-Salt Lake City Lds clan (Missouri-based Reorganized Church of LDS, which has since changed its name).

Of course all of this presents a knotty problem for Mormon leaders & Mormon apologists.

Lds leaders have made the study of Lds 10th prophet Joseph Fielding Smith their "theme" curricula study throughout 2014. He was Joseph Smith's grand nephew and wrote a 5-volume series published by Deseret Book Publishing entitled Answers to Gospel Questions (FAQ style).

Apparently, a Jehovah's Witness had visited a Mormon and told them that polygamy was against the Book of Mormon, citing the Book of Jacob. In volume 4, chapter 42 (1963/1979), Joseph Fielding Smith takes on THIS question related to the earliest polygamy practiced by Joseph Smith and the earliest Mormons...claiming that because Jacob 2:30 cites "raising up need" as an exception to the prohibition vs. polygamy, his grand uncle was justified.

The problem was, and I highlight how problematic this was here, Smith failed to raise up any other children with his 26 or so additional wives (besides possibly one miscarried one).

655 posted on 01/16/2014 1:41:13 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: restornu
Isaiah 63:10, “But they rebelled, and grieved his holy spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and himself fought against them.”

The Holy Spirit is rebelled against and grieved. (Compare Eph. 4:30.)

Hebrews 10:29—“Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he is sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace.”

The Holy Spirit is “done despite unto” (“treated with contempt.”—“Thayer’s Greek-English Lexicon of the N. T.”)

Acts 5:3—“But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?”

The Holy Spirit is lied to.

Matthew 12:31, 32—“Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.”

The Holy Spirit is blasphemed against.

Treatment is predicated of the Holy Spirit that could only be predicated of a person.

657 posted on 01/16/2014 1:49:07 PM PST by GarySpFc (We are saved by the precious blood of the God-man.)
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To: restornu
The LDS are of the Tribe of Joseph listeners to demons.
671 posted on 01/16/2014 3:14:36 PM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: restornu

Hmm, I didn’t know Joseph Smith was Jewish???


761 posted on 01/21/2014 10:14:53 AM PST by jda ("Righteousness exalts a nation . . .")
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