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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
“This is a baptismal formula, not a description of the Godhead. “
It is a baptismal formula, in the NAME of the Godhead, sophist, which includes the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
“They understood that this means that we are to receive the holy spirit after being baptized in the name of the father and son.”
IOW, you think Luke contradicts Matthew, but then he must contradict Paul too:
2Co_13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

You quote 2 (two) verses that include God, Christ and the holy spirit and claim that this is the Godhead. I quote dozens that show that the Godhead is father and son. Bible beats you every time gph.

That verse you provided only mentions being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, resulting in the gift of the Holy Spirit. It does not mention being baptized in the name of the Father AND Christ. Not that Christians didn’t baptize with the entire formula of course, leaving the Father and Spirit out of it: Didache (Somewhere between 50ad-130ad):

Ha ha...nice try...quote an extra biblical source...sorry, I'll believe the bible and the practice of biblical Christians...

I have no problem if you want to take tradition over what the bible says. But at least be honest enough to say that you prefer your tradition.

536 posted on 01/15/2014 5:09:24 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC; Colofornian

“You quote 2 (two) verses that include God, Christ and the holy spirit and claim that this is the Godhead.”


Aye, and two verses which you, being a sophist, cannot come to grips with. The Bible trumps you, cultist.

“Ha ha...nice try...quote an extra biblical source...sorry,”


The stupid claims of the UCG include the idea that they practice Christianity in the same way that the first century Christians do. Ignatius and the Didache both date to the first century, and they agree with me, not you.

Thus scripture and history trumps the fantasies of the Armstrong cult.


539 posted on 01/15/2014 5:19:09 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: DouglasKC; Greetings_Puny_Humans
>> I'll believe the bible and the practice of biblical Christians<<

Not from what I’ve seen. The twisted logic you have been using is a wonder to behold. The denial you have been exhibiting defies logic and common sense understanding of words.

541 posted on 01/15/2014 5:23:14 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: DouglasKC; Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
Ha ha...nice try...quote an extra biblical source...sorry, I'll believe the bible and the practice of biblical Christians...I have no problem if you want to take tradition over what the bible says. But at least be honest enough to say that you prefer your tradition.

If you reject very early Christian historical teaching tradition, so be it (That's what cultists tend to do).

Please at least honor history -- and don't revise it.

Since this teaching has been around since the first, second, third centuries, etc...(and no, 'twasn't regarded as "heretical" then, either)...please stop your false accusations of us "inventing" something in the 21st century. (Your post #485)

First Century: I highlighted Scriptures in latter part of post #447...and you haven't even attempted to refute any of those Scriptures

Question at hand: How was the Holy Spirit regarded in the Early Church beyond the Scriptures I ALREADY cited?

Hermas, c. 150 A.D.

* "If you are patient, the Holy Spirit that dwells in you will be pure. HE will not be darkened by any evil spirit...But if any outburst of anger takes place, immediately the Holy Spirit, WHO is sensitive, is constricted. For HE does not have a pure place, and HE seeks to depart."

* "Do not crush the Holy Spirit WHO dwells in you. Otherwise, HE may entreat...and withdraw from you."

Athenagoras, c. 175

"The Holy Spirit HIMSELF, who operates in the prophets..."

Treatise on Re-Baptism, c. 257

* "The Lord has taught us most plainly by His words about the liberty and power of the Holy Spirit...saying, 'The Spirit breathes where HE will...'"

(Tertullian, c. 210, and Origen, c. 228...Novation c. 235 likewise taught the personality of the Holy Spirit)

Source: A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs, David W. Bercot, editor, Hendrickson Publishers 1998, pp. 343-346

574 posted on 01/15/2014 7:44:59 PM PST by Colofornian (The Spirit HIMSELF [not itself] testifies w/our spirit...we ARE [not will be] GodÂ’s children Rom8:1)
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To: DouglasKC; Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
Ha ha...nice try...quote an extra biblical source...sorry, I'll believe the bible and the practice of biblical Christians...I have no problem if you want to take tradition over what the bible says. But at least be honest enough to say that you prefer your tradition.

Same response...different subject: Baptizing in Singular NAME of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit:

Tell us, Douglas: Why doesn't Matthew quote Jesus as saying "NAMES" of...if Father, Son, and Holy not united as one identity -- God, Himself?

Same initial comment: If you reject very early Christian historical teaching tradition, so be it (That's what cultists tend to do). Please at least honor history -- and don't revise it.

Tertullian, c.213:

"He commands them to baptize into the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit--NOT into a unipersonal God. And, indeed, it is not once only--but three times--that we are immersed into the the Three Persons, at the mention of each individual Name

Apostolic Constitutions, compiled 390

[Cites Matthew 28:18-20] then: : Therefore, O bishops, baptize three times into one Father, and Son, and Holy Spirit, according to the will of Christ.

Source: A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs, David W. Bercot, editor, Hendrickson Publishers 1998, pp. 57-59

575 posted on 01/15/2014 7:56:47 PM PST by Colofornian (The Spirit HIMSELF [not itself] testifies w/our spirit...we ARE [not will be] GodÂ’s children Rom8:1)
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