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To: DouglasKC; Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
Ha ha...nice try...quote an extra biblical source...sorry, I'll believe the bible and the practice of biblical Christians...I have no problem if you want to take tradition over what the bible says. But at least be honest enough to say that you prefer your tradition.

If you reject very early Christian historical teaching tradition, so be it (That's what cultists tend to do).

Please at least honor history -- and don't revise it.

Since this teaching has been around since the first, second, third centuries, etc...(and no, 'twasn't regarded as "heretical" then, either)...please stop your false accusations of us "inventing" something in the 21st century. (Your post #485)

First Century: I highlighted Scriptures in latter part of post #447...and you haven't even attempted to refute any of those Scriptures

Question at hand: How was the Holy Spirit regarded in the Early Church beyond the Scriptures I ALREADY cited?

Hermas, c. 150 A.D.

* "If you are patient, the Holy Spirit that dwells in you will be pure. HE will not be darkened by any evil spirit...But if any outburst of anger takes place, immediately the Holy Spirit, WHO is sensitive, is constricted. For HE does not have a pure place, and HE seeks to depart."

* "Do not crush the Holy Spirit WHO dwells in you. Otherwise, HE may entreat...and withdraw from you."

Athenagoras, c. 175

"The Holy Spirit HIMSELF, who operates in the prophets..."

Treatise on Re-Baptism, c. 257

* "The Lord has taught us most plainly by His words about the liberty and power of the Holy Spirit...saying, 'The Spirit breathes where HE will...'"

(Tertullian, c. 210, and Origen, c. 228...Novation c. 235 likewise taught the personality of the Holy Spirit)

Source: A Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs, David W. Bercot, editor, Hendrickson Publishers 1998, pp. 343-346

574 posted on 01/15/2014 7:44:59 PM PST by Colofornian (The Spirit HIMSELF [not itself] testifies w/our spirit...we ARE [not will be] GodÂ’s children Rom8:1)
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To: Colofornian
Since this teaching has been around since the first, second, third centuries, etc...(and no, 'twasn't regarded as "heretical" then, either)...please stop your false accusations of us "inventing" something in the 21st century. (Your post #485)

You're the one not embracing history. I don't care that "history" created the doctrine of the trinity. It's an evolved concept as the article points out. It's not provable by scripture but was given and developed through tradition..culminating in a clear statement nearly 300 years after Christ died.

Embrace your tradition. I prefer scripture.

584 posted on 01/15/2014 9:29:58 PM PST by DouglasKC
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