Replies

Joh_10:30 I and My Father are one." Oops! What happened here? Jesus Christ did not include a person called the holy spirit as being "one" of God. He only included the two of them. (DouglasKC)

ALL: by DouglasKC's logic then -- "Oops" needs to be applied to a LOT of Scriptures: Like..."Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?" (1 Cor. 3:16) "Oops! What happened here? The apostle Paul did not include a person called Jesus Christ as being part of this temple! He only included the two of them." (What a nonsensical conclusion that would be!!!)

OR:

Here, Douglas belongs to a "Church of God" named entity...yet a "church of God" passage (Acts 20:27-28) mentions being a "flock of the Holy Spirit" and that there's shepherds in the "church of God" ...yet "Oops! What happened here? Luke did not include a person called Jesus Christ as being part of this church's/flock's shepherding process. He only included the two of them." (Acts 20:27-28)

That would be MORE such nonsense!

**********************************

Clear Trinitarian passages from Jesus, John, Matthew, Luke, Mark, Peter, Paul, and the writer of Hebrews:

JESUS thru JOHN:
"But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name..." (John 14:26)
AND: "All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.” (John 16:15) (Btw, The UCGers, coming from the spiritual pregnancy of Herbert W. Armstrong, would have you believe that Jesus was mistaken referencing the Holy Spirit as "he")
JESUS THRU MATTHEW:
"Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit...(Matthew 28:18)
[NOTE: Baptism is the singular NAME of these three, not the plural "Names"]
LUKE:
"how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit..." (Acts 10:38)
JESUS & MARK's co-testimony
35 "While Jesus was teaching in the temple courts, he asked, “Why do the teachers of the law say that the Messiah is the son of David? 36 David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”’ 37 David himself calls him ‘Lord.’ How then can he be his son?” (Mark 12:35-37)
PETER:
who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood: Grace and peace be yours in abundance." (1 Peter 1:2)
PAUL:
"May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (2 Corinthians 13:14)
And: "to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles. He gave me the priestly duty of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit." (Romans 15:16)
Author of Hebrews:
"How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!" (Hebrews 9:14)

Clear Trinitarian passages from Jesus, John, Matthew, Luke, Mark, Peter, Paul, and the writer of Hebrews:

None of those are "clear" trinitarian passages. The fact that passages mention the father, the son and the holy spirit only proves that there is a father, son and holy spirit.

That doesn't make the bible fit into a creed that was created, defined and developed over 300 years after the death of Christ.

No matter how you slice it and dice it NOBODY in the bible, including Jesus Christ, beleived the holy spirit was a separate "person" that stood along the father and the son. The actual descriptions of the Godhead in heaven CLEARLY show that. Scripture after scripture shows this picture.

Here's some more:

Rom 1:7 To all who are in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Paul sends greeting from God. He does not include a person called the "holy spirit". There is no way Paul was a trinitarian.

1Co 1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Again, it's inconceivable that if Paul were a "trinitarian" that he wouldn't include the holy spirit as part of his standard greeting.

2Co 1:2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Well of course Paul wasn't a trinitarian...it was IMPOSSIBLE since the creed wasn't developed until long after he was dead.

Gal 1:3 Grace to you and peace from God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ,

Do you understand what this means? Paul was not and could NOT have been a trinitarian.

Paul, personally taught, by Christ, didn't believe what you believe. Who is right? You or Paul?

Eph 1:2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

To be honest you MUST know and recognize that Paul was not a trinitarian. Your beliefs ARE in conflict with Paul's. Who is right?

Php 1:2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Book after book Paul never elevates the holy spirit to a place in the Godhead. He didn't believe it was a different, separate person.

Col 1:2 To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ who are in Colosse: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Poor, ignorant blasphemous Paul... :-)

1Th 1:1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Poor spiritually dead Paul. Do you think God ever forgave him for not understanding the trinity?

2Th 1:1 Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:2 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

I mean clearly Paul doesn't "get it". He's so disrespectful the 3rd person in the trinity. He never puts this "holy spirit" at the same level as the father and the son.

1Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ, by the commandment of God our Savior and the Lord Jesus Christ, our hope,
1Ti 1:2 To Timothy, a true son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

Amazingly enough that heretic Paul also teaches Timothy the same thing! Heretic!

2Ti 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,
2Ti 1:2 To Timothy, a beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.

Paul, the heretic, still keeps describing the Godhead and STILL purposely and deliberately omits the 3rd person in the Godhead. What is wrong with this idiot?

Tit 1:4 To Titus, a true son in our common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Savior.

Blasphemy!

Phm 1:3 Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

It's abundantly clear that Paul did NOT elevate a person called the "holy spirit" to the level of the father and the son. In writing after writing he acknowledges the father and the son as being divine PEOPLE in which he sends greetings from. But he does NOT recognize the holy spirit as being as different person and so does NOT send greetings. And of course not....this belief did NOT formally exist until over 300 years after this.

You MUST believe that God did not "reveal" this to Paul or to anyone else in the bible. You MUST believe that they were not as spiritually "blessed" as the ones who made up this belief. You must belief your understanding is greater than Peter, Paul, Matthew, Luke and John.

Good luck with that.