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Because like i said i do not want some one leading me that does not know the difference between tithes and alms. I also do not want some one leading me that thinks that the Sabbath day can be changed to the first day of the week.

These are not things that concern me, but that doesn't mean there aren't churches out there that cover your concerns. It strikes me that the Messianics might cover at least one of those issues.

Nonetheless, I don't imagine a positive conversation with the Lord over them. "Well, Lord, I blew off the church for which You died over the alms/tithe thingie...."

"Oh, OK. Don't worry about it. I always meant to add a verse about how the tithe/alm thing would louse up the entire plan of redemption."

These are not things that concern me, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t churches out there that cover your concerns.

I don,t see any thing wrong with your point, every one is a little different, some people can be happy just singing hymms, others can be happy praying.

And i believe that is scriptural, we can do it our own way.

But i don,t know if you read my first comment on this subject or not which may explain a few things, i believe we have gotten to far away from the thread.

To: DouglasKC

James 3
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But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.

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Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

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Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.>>>

James said no man can tame their tongue, that obviously includes Christians, and since it is even easier to put it in writing there is a lot of it.

Paul said some things that i do not think was proper about peter even though they were both Christian.

I guess i see it a little different, i see so many scribes and pharisees and so many who think of them selves as all knowing but i do not think of any one as animals.

And i do think these discussions are some what beneficial because we are more apt to tell it like we think it is rather than going along with something the Bible plainly said is wrong.

For instance Jesus tells us to pray to God in secret but you can hear many preachers praying for a quarter of a mile.

But would i go to a preacher and tell him that? No but i will say it here.

P.S
my comment was by invitation based on the thread but it seems to have been averted to me.

To be honest, the tithe thing bothers me more than the Sabbath. In the case of the Sabbath, there are passages of Scripture that one can take to understand to annul the Sabbaths and Feasts of the Torah. While I don't agree with the approach and think it misses the point, I do acknowledge that there is a reason that the Apostles didn't emphasize Sabbath-observance for the Gentile Christians. It's an area where honest and dilligent disciples of the Messiah can disagree.

The tithe, on the other hand, requires ignoring the hermeneutic that rejects the Feasts. Anyone who claims to be in a position to teach the word would have to be aware of this, and yet the tithe continues to be taught. Why? Frankly, because it's good buisiness--which means there's an ulterior motive in getting this wrong.

I'm not saying that every pastor who teaches the tithe is being dishonest. Most are just teaching as they've been taught. But if they do suddenly notice that the Scripture doesn't support them, they definitely have a motive to ignore it, don't they? I think quite a few do know, and they continue to teach the tithe anyway. And I wouldn't want to be in their shoes come judgment day.

Shalom

Acts 18:11 So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.

Acts 18:11
So Paul stayed for a year and a half, teaching them the word of God.