“Hold fast to the traditions whether they come in oral or written form.” 2 Thess 2:15
“The things which you have heard from me through many witnesses you must hand on to trustworthy men who will be able to teach others.” (2 Tim, 2:2)
The above are FACT. Makes no difference that a Catholic basher wants to twist scripture to conform to what he wants it to mean. Reminds me of Bill Clinton saying “It depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is”
You need to give up and thank God for the Catholic Church. For without it you and rest would still be heathens. The Church gave you Word of God.
How do you know?
How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?
How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?
What is your source for verifying all of the above?
Please provide the sources for verification purposes.
What a load of nonsense.
The Holy Spirit gave us the Word of God and the OT existed centuries before the Catholic church was a gleam in Constantine's eye.
We owe the Catholic church NOTHING. Zero. Zilch.
We'd still be saved even if the Catholic church didn't exist because GOD is the one who ensures that His word is spread and souls are saved. The Holy Spirit is the one who convicts the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment.
No denomination or organization can take credit for that.
NKP, just list the traditions. It’s that easy. Unless you can’t. :-)
Where’s the beef?!
One of my personal favorites from Martin Luther:
“Yes, we ourselves find it difficult to refute it, especially since we concede—as we must—that so much of what they say is true: that the papacy has God’s Word and the office of the apostles, and that we have received Holy Scripture, Baptism, the Sacrament, and the pulpit from them. What would we know of these if it were not for them? Therefore faith, the Christian Church, Christ, and the Holy Spirit must also be found among them. What business have I, then, to preach against them as a pupil preaching against his teachers? Then there come rushing into my heart thoughts like these: “Now I see that I am in error. Oh, if only I had never started this and had never preached a word! For who dares oppose the church, of which we confess in the Creed: I believe in a holy Christian Church, etc.? Now I find this church in the papacy too. It follows, therefore, that if I condemn this church, I am excommunicated, rejected, and damned by God and all the saints.” [LW 24:304]. From the Protestant site Beggars All
So even ole Martin Luther recognized the Bible, or for it to survive 1,500 years down to his time would require God to work thru some Human Organization to define the canon, translate it, and preserve it down thru the centuries. Hey, I guess it was the First whatever church of somewhere in America that did that? or maybe the 2nd church of whatever. Of course the protestant guys over at that blog try to spin what he said but that is what he said. The arguments over there go back to the definition of the canon, was it infallible or not. I guess these guys hold to the recent protestant doctrine of the “Fallible Canon of infallible books” or something like that.
And another one is when he was charged with adding the word “alone” to St. Paul’s writings, he reportedly said
“If your Papist annoys you with the word (alone), tell him straightway: Dr. Martin Luther will have it so. Papist and .... are one and the same thing. Whoever will not have my translation, let him give it the go-by: the devil’s thanks to him who censures it without my will and knowledge. Luther will have it so, and he is a doctor above all the doctors in Popedom” [taken from Catholic Answers site, don’t have a protestant source for this one]
“Makes no difference that a Catholic basher wants to twist scripture to conform to what he wants it to mean. “
Oh, I’m ready to fully embrace all the specific traditions Paul specified. I just need you to share them. Yet you seem not to want to share therm!
What’s with that?? Is that charitable behavior for a Christian??
Please, oh please tell me exactly what Paul referred to and give me confidence that you are correct...
Unless you don’t know. In that case, please don’t make up stuff and try to pass it off as authentic.
WHICH IS IT? DO YOU KNOW OR NOT?