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To: CTrent1564; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; Greetings_Puny_Humans; ...
So where do you think the Church went off the tracks?

That is easy. Show me in Scripture where,

1. NT pastors treated the Eucharist as the body of Christ, transubstantiated thru them.

2. The apostles preached receiving the Eucharist as the means by which one received life in themselves, without receiving which one cannot have eternal life (as per RC literalism, of Jn. 6:53,54).

3. The Holy Spirit distinctively titled NT pastors "priests" (hiereus). (Do not try to argue it comes from presbuteros,as it does not , except by way of unique imposed functional equivalence.)

4. The that differentiated between bishops and elders, and with grand titles ("Most Reverend Eminence," “Very Reverend,” “Most Illustrious and Most Reverend Lord,” “His Eminence Cardinal,” “The Most Reverend the Archbishop,” etc.) and also made distinct by their ostentatious pompous garb. (Matthew 23:5-7)

5. Clerical celibacy is required (with rare exceptions), and which presumes all such have that gift.

6. A separate class of believers called “saints.”

7. Infants (not by conjecture) were sprinkled to become regenerate, and thus formally justified, having personally fulfilled the stated requirements for baptism.

8. The apostolic gospel of salvation began with becoming good enough inside thru regeneration (via baptism) to be declared just, sometimes in recognition of proxy faith, and usually ended with becoming good enough to enter glory via suffering in purgatory commencing at death.

9. It is not characteristic of Holy Spirit to reveal notable aspects of its significant subjects, from long life, to escaping death or being bodily assumed to God, to extra toes, to unique diets, to being sinless, etc., so that it should be expected He would mention a women was sinless and a perpetual virgin and who was bodily assumed to Heaven.

10. Mary was preserved sinless, and lived in perpetual virginity, contrary to the normal description of marriage, as leave and cleave.

11 . Mary was bodily assumed into Heaven

12. Mary was crowned as Queen of Heaven, and able to hear and respond to virtually unlimited prayers addressed to her, or that any saint in Heaven was.

13. Anyone in Scripture except pagans prayed to anyone in Heaven but the Lord, or were instructed to (i.e. "our Mother who art in Heaven)

14. NT believers went to purgatory to suffer commencing at death in order to enter Heaven, versus their postmortem location of the saints being with the Lord.

15. A perpetual assuredly infallible (if conditionally) magisterium is promised.

16. An assuredly infallible magisterium is necessary for preservation of truth, including writings to be established as Scripture, and assurance of faith.

17. In Acts and epistles Peter is confirmed to be the "rock" of Mt. 16:18 upon which the church is built, rather than upon the rock of the faith confessed by Peter, thus Christ Himself, and then upon the apostles (plural) and prophets.

18. NT churches are directed to look to Peter as the bishop of Rome, or did so, as the first of a line of supreme heads reigning over all the churches, and having the supreme or last word in questions affecting the whole Church.

19.There is any apostolic successors (like for James) named besides for Judas to maintain the original 12 (by casting lots no less).

20. The NT supported or made laws that restricted personal reading of Scripture by laity (contrary to Chrysostom), if able and available, sometimes even outlawing it when it was.

21. A church that taught that the deity Muslims worship (who is not as an unknown god) is the same as theirs.

I could go on, or we could then go on about historical proof that the NT church saw Peter as the bishop of Rome over all Christians, and having the last word in questions affecting the whole Church.

525 posted on 12/30/2013 10:03:45 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
A church that taught [still teaches btw] that the deity Muslims worship---is the same as theirs.

Every time I hear that from the pope and on down the line, I'm gobsmacked.

Like politicians talking about our "democracy" which is actually a Constitutional Republic.

The gulf between the God of the Bible and the "god" of Islam is impossible too see across.

How anyone could see a connection (same God) is amazing.

527 posted on 12/31/2013 12:00:12 AM PST by Syncro ("So?" - -Andrew Breitbart --The King of All Media RIP Feb 1, 1969 to Mar 1, 2012)
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To: daniel1212

+1

Those non-Biblical beliefs were made up out of whole cloth, much of it secured from pagan weavers...


529 posted on 12/31/2013 5:19:31 AM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (Truth is hate to those who hate the Truth)
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To: daniel1212

y. Trent. Where Rome anathematized itself by declaring salvation by faith is false, in direct contradiction to Orange.


530 posted on 12/31/2013 5:31:55 AM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: daniel1212; CTrent1564; metmom; boatbums; caww; presently no screen name; smvoice; ...

It amazes me the amount of deception that so many have fallen for.


532 posted on 12/31/2013 5:48:22 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: daniel1212

I am done dealing with you, take your polemics somewhere else. In addition, why is it you need to ping all these other people when you post me.

I have dealt with many of these FR Prots a long time and know how this game is played. A Catholic gets into a thread with 1 of you people, they these a swarm of you people in every thread.


533 posted on 12/31/2013 6:51:51 AM PST by CTrent1564
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To: daniel1212

Oh, I see you have read Lorraine Boettner.


535 posted on 12/31/2013 7:23:07 AM PST by CTrent1564
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