Posted on 12/23/2013 7:16:44 PM PST by Uri’el-2012
Why I believe the Rapture of the Church
will take place between December 25, 2013,
and January 4, 2014
The Lord has been giving me pieces to a puzzle for the last 13 years, leading me to the date for the firstfruits Rapture of the Church. The puzzle ends between December 25, 2013, and January 4, 2014. I very strongly believe that the Rapture will take place on January 3/4, 2014. However, it is possible that the puzzle can end as early as December 25, 2013.
We get so busy looking for hidden meaning and ulterior motives, we miss the plain meaning right on the page! Gnosticism is alive and well.
You don’t see that our world history has been worse than now?
Do you have a specific timeframe when each seal of the 5 were broken? Or do you see it as do the amils that each generation has the 5 seals?
I sort of expected a little more detail given my impression was you viewed the seals, trumpets and vials as literal judgments.
Not poking the eye here just that the statement of 5 seals already broken and 4 ongoing is a bold statement. Did not the war seal state 1/4 the population would be victims?
Ok, so you are a partial futurist. There are some Eastern Orthodox that see the first few seals as ongoing. In your view will the tribulation be 7 years or 3.5 years?
We decided to not be cryptic a few posts ago. What is your understanding of the “he” used?
and so on... Each one, when investigated scripturally, is woefully unsupported.
Nope...Each one of those is heavily supported by scripture...That's why pre-Tribbers believe and teach those...
When I did an in depth study of the rapture and tribulation, I decided I would put aside everything I had been taught, and simply look at what the scripture actually said------
When I coupled that with the teachings of the early church fathers, and about Darby and heretical views of the Plymouth Brethren (whom Spurgeon critisized), as well as Scofield and his notes, I was convinced the whole pre-trib dispensational prophetic view was utter nonsense.
HaHaHa...You just gave yourself away...
No... I meat the passage right beneath:
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
“For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, UNTO A PERFECT MAN, unto the measure of the stature of the FULNESS OF CHRIST:..” (Eph. 4:12,13). The Body of Christ is the “he” of Thess., the PERFECT MAN of Ephesians.
1.Psalm 27:5 For in the time of trouble he shall hide me in his pavilion: in the secret of his tabernacle shall he hide me; he shall set me up upon a rock.
Ok, it's easy to say that, so put the scripture out there for all to see. Give me one verse (just 1!) that indicates the timing of the rapture before the tribulation, and I'll give you 4 that prove it's after, for example:
John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
1 Cor 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken
I know you can't produce a single one, and any argument you have against the above revolve around the assumption that the rapture is pre-trib, and these references then can't be the church.
Oh, and the bloody bride argument falls apart with the disciples and Paul, who all save 1 suffered a matyr's bloody death. Any verse on that one would be nice as well.
That scripture reference in no way proves your point, especially as this passage has no prophetic tones at all.
If this verse did refer to the last minute pre-trib church, this would imply the church is getting better, purer, more doctrinally sound, etc. The exact reverse is true.
A much better identity of the "he" is married men only, as it says clearly in Ephesians 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church... 31 For this cause shall a man leave...
Obviously, married men will leave, being taken out of the way, and allow the antichrist to have full reign. /s
Prophetic tones has nothing whatsoever to do with the Church the Body of Christ. It was a MYSTERY, hid in God from the foundation of the world. Which is the whole point of Paul. And his ministry.
And it has been clearly explained, including references like those I listed in 369 above.
Again I challenge you to provide 1 verse to prove the rapture is pre-trib. Just 1.
I disagree and on much the same basis you assert.
Moreover, critics of dispensationalism generally haven’t well studied it, because the same attacks they make of dispensational theology will have to throw out fundamental Catholic and Protestant doctrines, leaning only on cultic false doctrines or worldly systems of works.
While dispensationalism and every other -ism denomination has limitations, dispensationalism has built upon the classic doctrines developed over Church History, and advanced to literal interpretations of eschatology beyond where other denominations have backslid.
Most dispensational believers really don’t bother with Darby or Scofield, so appeals to counterattack those older pastors as an attack on dispensational doctrine isn’t very sophisticated. Dispensational believers tend to be Bible study adherents, and those who respect the work of their fellow believers throughout Church History, but continue to grow through a personal fellowship with God through Christ and daily doctrinal intake.
Actually, from Ephesians, Paul's mission was to take the Gospel to the Gentiles. To wit:
Ephesians 3:7 I became a servant of this gospel by the gift of God’s grace given me through the working of his power.
8 Although I am less than the least of all the Lord’s people, this grace was given me: to preach to the Gentiles the boundless riches of Christ,
I already have. You just don’t want to see it.
And just what was this gospel given to Paul to reveal to the Gentiles? You may have studied a lot, but unless you studied God’s Word God’s way, you will find yourself in a self imposed corner. 2 Tim. 2:15.
I do understand the pre-trib "doctrine" and dispensationalism, and reject them because of their lack of Biblical support.
I've found that my own thinking is very, very scarred by living a life with a body and soul, but void of the spirit for many years. Those memories and problem solving techniques built from a worldly perspective.
In order to continue in sanctification, I do have to remain in the Spirit, and from a worldly perspective, that is a hidden meaning. So in a sense, yes it is a new message, but far from being gnostic.
Here is the Gospel Paul preached to the Gentile church in Corinth, from his own pen:
1 Cor 15:1 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand.
2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importancea : that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures,...
Was your question serious, or rhetorical? Really?
The trib is, according to our savior, 3.5 years.
That is the exact span between his prophetic events, Purim, and Tabernacles, 3 years later. Haman was the forerunner of the Abomination.
The Revelation was commissioned to John as that which was, that which is, and that which was to come. The seals span all that was to come, from slightly after the time of John, to the first resurrection, and we have just about used them up!
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