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To: aMorePerfectUnion; Salvation
“Mary and the saints in heaven can see and hear us.”

"Prove it using actual evidence that demonstrates your truth claim is true."

Hermas

"[The Shepherd said:] ‘But those who are weak and slothful in prayer, hesitate to ask anything from the Lord; but the Lord is full of compassion, and gives without fail to all who ask him. But you, [Hermas,] having been strengthened by the holy angel [you saw], and having obtained from him such intercession, and not being slothful, why do not you ask of the Lord understanding, and receive it from him?’" (The Shepherd 3:5:4 [A.D. 80]). 

 

Clement of Alexandria

"In this way is he [the true Christian] always pure for prayer. He also prays in the society of angels, as being already of angelic rank, and he is never out of their holy keeping; and though he pray alone, he has the choir of the saints standing with him [in prayer]" (Miscellanies 7:12 [A.D. 208]). 

 

Origen

"But not the high priest [Christ] alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but also the angels . . . as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen asleep" (Prayer 11 [A.D. 233]). 

  Etc., Etc….

81 posted on 12/16/2013 10:32:50 AM PST by GonzoII (Ted Cruz/Susana Martinez 2016)
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To: GonzoII; Salvation

Gonzo

It is humerous that you had to go outside the canon of Scripture and choose the shepherd to try to buttress any case that Mary or departed saints are aware of things on earth and can hear us.

Unfortunately, failing the test of Scripture, you went out a couple centuries to try to rope in some non-Biblical sources.

Total fail. It may be motivated by sincerity, but it is a fail.

I will await the amazing evidence Salvation will provide...


90 posted on 12/16/2013 12:15:11 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: GonzoII

Always the church fathers ... never the Bible.


96 posted on 12/16/2013 3:17:00 PM PST by dartuser
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