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To: cuban leaf; boatbums
>> But which sites are you referring to?<<

The two sites you gave in the post I was responding to. Post 207.

>> It may be that I have not stated my position accurately.<<

I doubt there is any misunderstanding of your position. I think it’s obvious to most everyone that you have completely ignored the intent of the Greek words used and have twisted the meaning and intent of those words to fit a carnal viewpoint. I can find no Greek scholars that agree with your view.

225 posted on 12/18/2013 6:02:37 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Actually, those two links contain many viewpoints. I agree with most of the perspectives they bring. I also agree with the translations of the words.

But, like most biblical scholars far more versed than myself, I understand the context of the whole book of Revelation. That is where I think you and I seem to go separate ways. Some poster here used a phrase from Revelation and claimed it made a point “crystal clear”. That is difficult to say about anything in Revelation except the most core issues (e.g. who Jesus is).

BTW, I’m not a biblical scholar, but I don’t need to be. Neither were the apostles. One can know Jesus without ever laying eyes on a bible. When my Jesus is a God of love and Justice and mercy, I look at all the times Jesus (as well as any writer in the NT or OT) mentions the fate of the lost, it is clearly discussing, as it’s primary point, the fact that they are not to receive eternal life. And usually it goes so far as to say they are eliminated. In the New testament it even compares their fate to the fates of civilizations and cities that were utterly wiped out in the OT.

My Jesus does not torture people for all eternity because they failed to follow him. However, they suffer the same fate of all who do not follow him. That includes those that reached the age of accountability and died five days later without ever hearing about Jesus. They are extinguished. They are not in the presence of the Lord and their condition will never change. There will be no appeal, no parole, no pardon. They are gone, as if they never existed.

Should you fear that? That is your choice. But nobody should come to the Lord out of fear. They come to the Lord from a desire to spend eternity with him and an acknowledge that He is their Creator and God. And they desire to be wholy obedient to him.


227 posted on 12/18/2013 7:22:41 AM PST by cuban leaf
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