Posted on 12/16/2013 8:08:08 AM PST by GonzoII
"Prove it using actual evidence that demonstrates your truth claim is true."
Hermas
"[The Shepherd said:] ‘But those who are weak and slothful in prayer, hesitate to ask anything from the Lord; but the Lord is full of compassion, and gives without fail to all who ask him. But you, [Hermas,] having been strengthened by the holy angel [you saw], and having obtained from him such intercession, and not being slothful, why do not you ask of the Lord understanding, and receive it from him?’" (The Shepherd 3:5:4 [A.D. 80]).
Clement of Alexandria
"In this way is he [the true Christian] always pure for prayer. He also prays in the society of angels, as being already of angelic rank, and he is never out of their holy keeping; and though he pray alone, he has the choir of the saints standing with him [in prayer]" (Miscellanies 7:12 [A.D. 208]).
Origen
"But not the high priest [Christ] alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but also the angels . . . as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen asleep" (Prayer 11 [A.D. 233]).
But aren’t we living in analog time? From point a to point b?
God has no time frame in heaven. Always was, always is, and always will be.
Where does the bible tell us to put our hope in anything other than Christ, Himself?
No I think God views the total dissolving of a living soul into a final nothingness or to allow it to bleed into nothingness without a containing body is something as a God of Love he won’t allow himself to do. Such a fate seems worse than the lake of Fire itself.
Being fitted with a body meant for eternal destruction is that last act of kindness that God does for a soul that would never allow God to do anything else for it. To at least have a means of experiential reference in relation to a person’s center self, even if negative is a kind of tourniquet applied to the soul, however damned, lest It bleed out into nothingness.(which is a step God doesn’t apply even to Satan and his angels) Even in wrath, God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked and provides some measure of kindness for them, even in judgment!
Actually I’m not Catholic, I’m Baptist so Hell fire preaching is what I heard most of my life!
Yeah, and when I moved to KY I ended up in a Baptist church. ;-)
First time I brought the issue up you would have thought I proposed that Jesus and Satan are brothers. It caught me completely off guard.
lol
I’ve experienced nothingness. It’s not unpleasant at all because it is nothingness. It is no more unpleasant than the nothingness before I was conceived.
Burning fish guts is witchcraft. The other examples are miracles.
Gonzo
It is humerous that you had to go outside the canon of Scripture and choose the shepherd to try to buttress any case that Mary or departed saints are aware of things on earth and can hear us.
Unfortunately, failing the test of Scripture, you went out a couple centuries to try to rope in some non-Biblical sources.
Total fail. It may be motivated by sincerity, but it is a fail.
I will await the amazing evidence Salvation will provide...
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Absolutely nothing wrong with any believer interpreting Holy Scripture.
We are commanded to study to show ourselves approved and to love God with all our mind. So your graphic is cute, but unBiblical.
Don't you have another couple graphics you can post to avoid discussion???
You are making it into an actual appearance.
Read the text for once.
You are missing an entire attribute of God ... His justice.
If a murder, rapist, adultering, drug dealing despot stood before a judge with all those offenses ... would he be a just judge if he just said ... "You know pal ... I'm just gonna let you go because I love you."
Always the church fathers ... never the Bible.
Then how does the following passage fit into that scenario? Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Your turn:)
The question is whether or not God fries the individual sinner's “I AM” center out of existence. The Bible does not read that way. There also remains no crime and punishment factor since many folks love the notion of living a riotous life than pfffft...nothing. So what if God wakes them up one more time...tells them they are condemned then Pffft...dissolution of soul and spirit forever, a lot of people wouldn't care. But many folks have been saved by fiery preaching when being saved by love preaching wasn't working for them. The thought of an eternity spent in the Lake of Fire has been a factor in turning many to God. There is a final judgment and most people deep down know it to be true!
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