Merry Christmas to all!
Posted on 12/16/2013 8:08:08 AM PST by GonzoII
tesseract type pocket universes to be dissolved into quantum nothingness!
Saints are ordinary people like you or me who lived extraordinarily totally dedicating their lives (often in convents or monasteries) to Jesus Christ.
Do you have a problem with that?
If a person who’s life was evil dies or is on the brink and has an NDE where he experiences Christ and a chance of redemption, comes back completely changed(and there have been quite a few who have put themselves down as on record of such), then I’m not prepared to dismiss their experiences.
Still, there is a deceiver, and one has to wary of his tricks!
If we had enough faith to walk on water (and it was His will) then we could talk to Moses. I can’t walk on water. Can you?
No. I have a problem with the notion that we can pray to them. And that they hear.
You are the loser here. Tobit (or Tobias) is in the complete Bible.
Please education yourself.
So is John 14:1-10.
Still, there is a deceiver, and one has to wary of his tricks!
Yes, that is exactly why I don’t spend time thinking about NDE.
When the Witch of Endor called up Samuel, was she really talking to the dead Samuel? And while we’re on that subject, why was calling up Samuel grounds for execution?
Was that the same Tobit that has an angel giving directions on how to ward off demons by burning fish guts?
You and your notions are incorrect here. The souls of those in heaven are very alive even though their bodies are dead.
Stop thinking as man thinks and think as God thinks just for a minute.
God can hear and see us.
Christ can hear and see us.
Mary and the saints in heaven can see and hear us.
Very simple.
That's a very shaky assumption to build an entire argument on.
Exactly my point. We CANNOT think like God. Heaven is not a physical temple sitting above the firmament. In our fallen bodies and minds we can’t imagine what heaven is like.
In my opinion you are totally wrong. Think as God thinks.
Revelation20:And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life.
The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.
15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.”
The Bible says that Satan, will be thrown into the Lake of Fire where he is tormented forever. Death and Hell after giving up their dead is also thrown into the Lake of Fire. So are those whose names aren’t found in the Lamb’s Book of Life. There is nothing that says human persons who are thus cast have their souls and spiritual selves dissolved into non existence. Other scriptures speak of the damned as having bodies “fitted for eternal destruction”, “their worm dying not”.
No hope there either.
My hope is in Jesus.
Do you know Jesus as your personal Savior?
That is inconsistent with the Theme of the whole Bible that God is Love.
We were having a nice conversation until you turned nasty.
Beautiful. Thank you.
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