Posted on 12/16/2013 8:08:08 AM PST by GonzoII
Following your exegesis one would have to conclude that God’s covenants aren’t “forever” also.
Regarding the Jonah story, yes that is one of the things I was referring to this morning. Regarding the meaning of the word “forever”, my contention isn’t with the meaning of eternity. Rather, it is the question of how it is spent.
Regarding the fates as described in Revelation, we have to remember we are talking about the book of Revelation here. It is not the source of my theology. It is a book of prophesy rife with symbolism.
What your left with is nothing more than a forced exegesis from a carnal understanding the ends with “did God really say?”
Yeah ... that's why I wondered if he read the article from his own post ... its kinda hard to miss that many citations from the Apocrypha.
In post 105 you did point us to a site that includes the apocrypha as part of it’s “evidence”.
Then you have come to a logical inconsistency.
If Satan and his angels are cast into the same place as unbelieving humans ... and God will not torture the humans for all eternity (because he is good), then He cannot be good if He tortures Satan and his angels for all eternity either. Therefore your theological position forces your conclusion ... of necessity you must support annihilation for Satan and his angels as well.
NOW do you see the point?
You go right ahead and “symbolize” or think whatever you want to as a metaphor. It’s exactly what the unbelievers use. You’re playing right into their hands and giving them the easy “see! Even the believers know its just metaphor”. Well, I’m here to remind you that for those who lead others into error it doesn’t turn out well.
I’m throwing out more of your exegesis than just what came out of the apocrypha.
When I said “I don’t know, I was trying to say “I don’t know” regarding all of this. I am merely interpretting scripture, prayerfully, as I read and study. And what you read here are the conclusions I reached.
It is important to say here that as a student of Revelation since 1983, that I’ve learned that any argument over the literal meaning of any of its verses is not just an exercise in futility, but it violates Titus 3:9.
Back at ya.
But in the nice way. :-)
What I meant was, he’s covering all his bases by including the Apocrypha as someone might include the writings of those who lived at Jesus time as evidence of the culture of the time. I don’t care about the apocrypha though I found it interesting how he addressed it.
And not everyone who disagrees with you is preaching false teaching. Like me, you are human. Like me, you are sincere (apparently).
This means that, like me, you might be dead wrong. Just a thought.
It started THOUSANDS of years before Christ’s birth, over thousands of years, ALL MEN moved by God’s Holy Spirit. But of course, if you’ve ever read the Bible, you know that already.
Hey, I forgot to thank you for that biblehub link, so thanks!
It’s even easier to use than blueletterbible.org.
I’m throwing out more of your exegesis than just what came out of the apocrypha.
How long you have studied something has no bearing on the correctness of your understanding ... It is your exegesis that dictates where you end.
From textual issues to translation, lexical studies, grammatical analysis, biblical and systematic theology, all the way through the exegetical process you are dealing with an assumption that the text is understandable to the average person.
When you place that literal understanding of the Biblical text into the trash heap, you can assign any meaning you like to the text and be perfectly justified in rendering your opinion of the text to be just as good as anyone elses. You begin to ask questions like "what does this passage mean to me" ... instead of "what does this passage mean."
Truth above novelty ... rarely does a novel interpretation involve truth.
Any discussion of Revelation is neither an “exercise in futility” nor is a violation of Titus 3:9. Revelation was given to John for our benefit and must be studied.
Which brings up a point. Do you believe Israel will again be dealt with as a separated nation during the last seven year tribulation?
True...Just dying and it's over is pretty palatable to a lot of people...
Mar 9:43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
Mar 9:44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
You’re welcome. I like biblehub much better than any of the rest.
I've read the Bible but it doesn't give me a list of the inspired books. How do I know which ones are?
She was a virgin when she conceived Christ and was technically still after his birth. She had other children because Mark mentions them as having been “looking for him”. There again it is what the scripture says, not what the teachings of men say it was!
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