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To: boatbums
"God is a rewarder of all those who diligently seek Him so there will be NO ONE who dies without having the chance to know the truth. Even before Jesus was born, there were people who knew and worshiped the one, true God and, just as we look back on the sacrifice Christ made for us through the grace of God, so they looked forward to the time when the Messiah would come ALSO by the grace of God."

There have been millions of people that have died inside communist countries that never had the chance to hear the truth. Through out all ages there have been people, that through no fault of their own, were born into a circumstance where hearing or worshiping God was not possible. Therefore, through no fault of their own they were not able to seek God.

Amos 8:
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.


Amos prophesies about a time when the gospel is not found any where on the earth. People don't have the word of God, what happens to them?

"Angels aren't people, people don't become angels."

Your logic is flawed. Didn't Jesus come to earth and take up a body of flesh and bone and ascend into heaven? So Jesus proves that a heavenly being can come to earth, change, and still be a heavenly being. So it is with the Angels. Angels are messages and servants of God. It's a title not a species. A person can be a servant and messenger of God, come to earth, take up a body and return to heaven and still be a servant and messenger.

"I don't deny the power of the Holy Spirit in my life nor do I reject the grace of God that brings salvation by assuming that my good deeds merit my salvation."

But you've stated several times that you don't believe God speaks to man directly anymore. You've stated that you don't believe there can be anymore scripture. That's denying the power of God.

This reminds me of the story of the people in Moses' time. Moses held up a staff and anyone who looked at the staff would be healed. Many of the people refused to even look at the staff. Probably because they could not have faith in something so simple. Or maybe they were afraid of having the power of God touch them so dramatically... or maybe some were afraid that if they looked and nothing happened, what that would mean.

"Faith is what pleases God - without it, NO ONE can please Him."

But... God measures your faith by your works not your words. It is by what we do that justifies before God our claims of faith in Jesus. That's straight out of the NT. And that's why so many who claim faith on Jesus will be cast out as spoken of in Luke 13.

"What are you expecting to hear that I'm not saying?"

How about a simple yes or no.


207 posted on 12/10/2013 4:04:50 PM PST by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper; Colofornian; Elsie; Tennessee Nana
There have been millions of people that have died inside communist countries that never had the chance to hear the truth. Through out all ages there have been people, that through no fault of their own, were born into a circumstance where hearing or worshiping God was not possible. Therefore, through no fault of their own they were not able to seek God.

Look who's limiting God now. Scripture says that ALL of creation screams that there is a Creator and that people exchange the truth for a lie. If God says He is a rewarder of all those who diligently seek Him and that He WILL be found when we search for Him with all our hearts, then I'm gonna believe Him over a false religion that teaches souls can be saved AFTER they die by proxy baptism and/or spirit missionaries. Nowhere in the Bible is that sort of folly taught.

"Angels aren't people, people don't become angels."

Your logic is flawed. Didn't Jesus come to earth and take up a body of flesh and bone and ascend into heaven? So Jesus proves that a heavenly being can come to earth, change, and still be a heavenly being. So it is with the Angels. Angels are messages and servants of God. It's a title not a species. A person can be a servant and messenger of God, come to earth, take up a body and return to heaven and still be a servant and messenger.

Your theology is flawed - and your logic isn't much better. Jesus is Almighty God incarnate - in the flesh - and He was born as a baby to a virgin (a prophetic miracle) taking on human flesh, blood and bones so that He could be the perfect sacrifice for our atonement. Jesus is more than a "heavenly being", He is GOD - the Creator of all beings - heavenly or earthly - as well as the entire universe. Without Jesus nothing was made that was made. Angels ARE God's messengers, His servants, but they were NEVER human beings and vice versa. Two separate created beings - angels and humans. Just because angels and humans can sometimes be used the same by the God doesn't mean they are the same beings.

But you've stated several times that you don't believe God speaks to man directly anymore. You've stated that you don't believe there can be anymore scripture. That's denying the power of God.

Don't put words in my mouth, please. God no longer reveals new truths to man - especially not any that would contradict those things He HAS already revealed. You said many times that you believe there CAN be more "Scripture" - actual God-breathed, carried along by the Holy Spirit Divine and sacred Scripture - and you point to the writings from Mormonism's founder and subsequent "prophets". You claim that the Holy Spirit "told" you they were all from Almighty God. I don't claim to be an expert at your religion, but from the things I HAVE read from it, it falls far short of the caliber that believers have come to expect from Christianity's universally recognized Scripture - the Holy Spirit has told me that they are bogus. You can believe what you want, but there is NOTHING you have that I need or want. My faith is firmly established in Jesus Christ and He is my rock, my foundation.

But... God measures your faith by your works not your words. It is by what we do that justifies before God our claims of faith in Jesus. That's straight out of the NT. And that's why so many who claim faith on Jesus will be cast out as spoken of in Luke 13.

Wrong! Man looks on the outside, God looks on the heart:

Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. (Romans 3:19-28)

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. (Galatians 2:16)

I've got PLENTY more if you are interested in the truth of the gospel of the grace of God.

209 posted on 12/11/2013 9:16:53 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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