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And all those people that have lived and died and never heard of Christ? Where do you put them?

Will not the God of all the earth do what is right? "For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe. (Deut. 10:17).

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse. For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles. Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen. (Romans 1:18-25)

God is a rewarder of all those who diligently seek Him so there will be NO ONE who dies without having the chance to know the truth. Even before Jesus was born, there were people who knew and worshiped the one, true God and, just as we look back on the sacrifice Christ made for us through the grace of God, so they looked forward to the time when the Messiah would come ALSO by the grace of God.

You have no prophets or revelation that would tell you such a thing.

We have the revelation in the Bible that tells us all about when the angels were created, their purpose, their roles and what happened to those who rebelled against God. Angels aren't people, people don't become angels.

They have a form of godliness. A type of godliness, but it's not real. You can see it every where... no revelation today. They appear godly but they actually deny the power of God through their action and doctrine.

No doubt there are people that fit this prediction of the world today and we see examples of it pretty regularly on these religion threads. The form of godliness that Scripture talks about which is deadly is that which "denies the power thereof". I don't deny the power of the Holy Spirit in my life nor do I reject the grace of God that brings salvation by assuming that my good deeds merit my salvation. Those people weeping and gnashing their teeth will be those who thought belonging to a religion or going to church or being good or giving tithes, etc., were what brought them to godliness while they rejected the grace of God that He lavishes on us when we trust in Him. Faith is what pleases God - without it, NO ONE can please Him.

Back to a question I've asked several times now; did God choose the list of books that are that are currently available in the Bible to be in the Bible?

And I've already answered this several times now. Maybe if you read what I wrote instead of skipping to the parts you want to haggle over repeatedly, you wouldn't keep asking it. What are you expecting to hear that I'm not saying?

"God is a rewarder of all those who diligently seek Him so there will be NO ONE who dies without having the chance to know the truth. Even before Jesus was born, there were people who knew and worshiped the one, true God and, just as we look back on the sacrifice Christ made for us through the grace of God, so they looked forward to the time when the Messiah would come ALSO by the grace of God."

There have been millions of people that have died inside communist countries that never had the chance to hear the truth. Through out all ages there have been people, that through no fault of their own, were born into a circumstance where hearing or worshiping God was not possible. Therefore, through no fault of their own they were not able to seek God.

Amos 8:
11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord God, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the Lord:

12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the Lord, and shall not find it.

Amos prophesies about a time when the gospel is not found any where on the earth. People don't have the word of God, what happens to them?

"Angels aren't people, people don't become angels."

Your logic is flawed. Didn't Jesus come to earth and take up a body of flesh and bone and ascend into heaven? So Jesus proves that a heavenly being can come to earth, change, and still be a heavenly being. So it is with the Angels. Angels are messages and servants of God. It's a title not a species. A person can be a servant and messenger of God, come to earth, take up a body and return to heaven and still be a servant and messenger.

"I don't deny the power of the Holy Spirit in my life nor do I reject the grace of God that brings salvation by assuming that my good deeds merit my salvation."

But you've stated several times that you don't believe God speaks to man directly anymore. You've stated that you don't believe there can be anymore scripture. That's denying the power of God.

This reminds me of the story of the people in Moses' time. Moses held up a staff and anyone who looked at the staff would be healed. Many of the people refused to even look at the staff. Probably because they could not have faith in something so simple. Or maybe they were afraid of having the power of God touch them so dramatically... or maybe some were afraid that if they looked and nothing happened, what that would mean.

"Faith is what pleases God - without it, NO ONE can please Him."

But... God measures your faith by your works not your words. It is by what we do that justifies before God our claims of faith in Jesus. That's straight out of the NT. And that's why so many who claim faith on Jesus will be cast out as spoken of in Luke 13.

"What are you expecting to hear that I'm not saying?"

How about a simple yes or no.