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To: boatbums
"Begs the question, what are two righteous men doing on the earth if the rapture has already happened?

They are the two witnesses sent by God to preach the gospel to those who were left behind after the Rapture and to the Jews especially during the Tribulation. They will warn the entire world of the coming great and terrible day of the Lord when God will judge the world."


This doesn't make any sense at all. None. According to you the rapture has already happened, what possible good could preaching to these people make? None. So that can't be right. Prophets don't speak to the already damned. Prophets are sent to lead people to Christ, not to rub it in the face of the judged.

Those prophets are here to teach people before the second coming.

"Jesus and Lucifer are not "brothers". Lucifer was a created being, an angel, who chose to rebel against God and was cast out of heaven. Jesus is the eternal Son of God, with the Father from all time,"

Angels are people. Different titles, different responsibilities. But people. Jesus said His Father was also our Father. We share the same Father. Jesus is our brother and our God. Lucifer is no longer with us. At one time he was our brother too. Just as all the people that have ever lived, are alive, and will live on this earth are brothers/sisters.

"I have no fear of what these witnesses will say because I am already a blood-bought, born again child of Almighty God, heir and joint-heir with Jesus Christ."

Sorry, but you're not. Neither am I. -yet. Jesus was very clear on this. You have to endure to the end of your life obeying His commandments before you can be saved.

1. You don't believe He has the power to bring about more scripture for you.
2. You don't believe He will send you His prophets.
3. You don't believe He will bring new revelation for you.
4. You don't believe He has the power to judge you as you have already proclaimed yourself saved.

In other words:
2 Tim 3:
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.


1. I am waiting for even more scripture that was promised.
2. I know His prophets and listen intently to their message.
3. I know that He will send me revelation directly from Him as I need it because I ask for it.
4. I know that God is a God of miracles even today.
5. I know that Luke 13 does not pertain to me, because I will not be weeping at seeing the prophets at the judgment.

born again child of Almighty God, heir and joint-heir with Jesus Christ.

So you're a joint-heir with Almighty God? You will receive and equal reward as Jesus Himself. That's what joint-heir means. That means you'll become a (g)od. Well, that's the promise that God made, for the servant to receive equal to the master. Congrats on agreeing with me on that one. However, we're along way from getting to that point yet.
193 posted on 12/06/2013 2:35:20 PM PST by StormPrepper
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To: StormPrepper
This doesn't make any sense at all. None. According to you the rapture has already happened, what possible good could preaching to these people make? None. So that can't be right. Prophets don't speak to the already damned. Prophets are sent to lead people to Christ, not to rub it in the face of the judged. Those prophets are here to teach people before the second coming.

When the Bride of Christ is taken up, there will still be people left behind - including the Jewish nation (those who have not received Jesus as Messiah) with whom God is not yet finished. We know from Revelation and other Scripture passages that, during the Tribulation, many more people will come to the knowledge of the truth and will be saved. The Two Witnesses as well as the 144,000 (12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel) who have been anointed and ordained by God to be the ones to bring Israel to repentance and to speak to the world of the coming final judgments of God. So, contrary to your opinion, there WILL still be a chance for unbelievers to come to Christ. It won't be easy on them, but they can come to Him before they die. After someone dies, then it is too late to be saved. Once Christ comes back after the Tribulation to set up His thousand year reign on earth (the Millennium), ONLY the saved will go in. Some of the saved will be people who come out of the great tribulation and who have received Christ but didn't yet die.

Angels are people. Different titles, different responsibilities. But people. Jesus said His Father was also our Father. We share the same Father. Jesus is our brother and our God. Lucifer is no longer with us. At one time he was our brother too. Just as all the people that have ever lived, are alive, and will live on this earth are brothers/sisters.

LDS propaganda. Angels are not "people", never were, never will be. They are a separate class of created beings. Almighty God is ONLY the Father of the redeemed. His children are those that have been adopted into His family through faith. The unsaved are God's creation, it doesn't automatically make them His children. Jesus didn't die to redeem the fallen angels, either. They made their choice before we were created and have eternity to live with their choice.

Sorry, but you're not. Neither am I. -yet. Jesus was very clear on this. You have to endure to the end of your life obeying His commandments before you can be saved.

You don't understand grace, then. We can KNOW we HAVE eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ. It is not by our works that we are saved but by grace through faith. Genuine, born-again, children of God WILL endure till the end - that's the amazing grace of God. For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus. (Philippians 1:6)

1. You don't believe He has the power to bring about more scripture for you.

The canon of revealed Scripture closed two thousand years ago. It is our authority because it is God-breathed.

2. You don't believe He will send you His prophets.

Your "prophets" are rejected because they preach an accursed gospel.

3. You don't believe He will bring new revelation for you.

I don't believe the LDS "prophets" or any others outside of the Bible because God has given us the whole counsel of God in His word. I certainly won't accept anyone who contradicts the Bible.

4. You don't believe He has the power to judge you as you have already proclaimed yourself saved.

I claim my salvation because God told me I could. In fact, it is an assurance He desires for all those whom He has redeemed by His grace. We need not fear judgment because Christ took on our judgment for our sins and we are not condemned. Those who reject Christ are condemned already because they have not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So you're a joint-heir with Almighty God? You will receive and equal reward as Jesus Himself. That's what joint-heir means. That means you'll become a (g)od. Well, that's the promise that God made, for the servant to receive equal to the master. Congrats on agreeing with me on that one. However, we're along way from getting to that point yet.

God has told us, "Seeing that His divine power has granted to us everything pertaining to life and godliness, through the true knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and excellence. For by these He has granted to us His precious and magnificent promises, so that by them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world by lust. (2 Peter 1:3,4) God disciplines us for our good, in order that we may share in his holiness and we are given the indwelling Holy Spirit as the "earnest of our inheritance" until we take up residence in heaven with our brothers and sisters in the Lord. It doesn't make us into "gods" - as there is ONLY one God and ever will be only ONE God. I don't think we are in agreement on that point. Sorry to disappoint you. I rejoice in my salvation because I know it is by the merciful grace of God that He saved me. It has changed me in every way and His plan for my life is being completed in me through that same grace. I'll be praying for you.

195 posted on 12/06/2013 6:44:40 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: StormPrepper
you don't believe

Reading the mind of another Freeper is a form of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

196 posted on 12/06/2013 7:36:19 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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