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"OK, ALL creeds are an abomination to the Mormon god?"

"OK, ALL creeds are an abomination to God?"

There fixed it.

"Tell us then, STormie, WHICH of the dozen segments of the Apostles Creed is "abominable" to Him? Which one? (Just give us a # if you don't have time to explain)"

Easy enough. All of them.

Why? Because they are given by man. God gives to man, man does not give to God. God did not compile this list, give it to a prophet who then gave it to the people.

Being doctrinally correct has nothing to do with it.

Honestly, it's with out power...it's weak and pitiful. It doesn't advance our understanding of our relationship to God. It's apostate men trying desperately to hold on to the little knowledge they have.

When the Lord gives something it looks like this:
D&C 1:
1 Hearken, O ye people of my church, saith the voice of him who wells on high, and whose eyes are upon all men; yea, verily I say: Hearken ye people from afar; and ye that are upon the islands of the sea, listen together.

2 For verily the voice of the Lord is unto all men, and there is none to escape; and there is no eye that shall not see, neither ear that shall not hear, neither heart that shall not be penetrated.

3 And the rebellious shall be pierced with much sorrow; for their iniquities shall be spoken upon the housetops, and their secret acts shall be revealed.

4 And the voice of warning shall be unto all people, by the mouths of my disciples, whom I have chosen in these last days.

5 And they shall ago forth and none shall stay them, for I the Lord have commanded them.

Easy enough. All of them. Why? Because they are given by man. God gives to man, man does not give to God. God did not compile this list, give it to a prophet who then gave it to the people.

I think you'd have a hard time being consistent here...

LOTS of things are given by man TO God...
...prayers...
...testimonies (about Jesus Christ, not the substitute testimony Mormons seek about Joseph Smith...& about the Book of Mormon)
...worship [which, btw, the Mormons' ORIGINAL 1842 11th article of faith endorses...'cause it CLEARLY says: "according to the dictates of our conscience, and allow all men the same privilege let them worship how, where, or what they may."]

Questions, then:

(1) Do the Mormon gods reject EVERY single prayer that doesn't mention the Book of Mormon/Joseph Smith/the Mormon church or anything Mormonesque uttered by non-Mormons?
Are ALL of them an "abomination" to the Mormon gods, too?

(2) How can your article of faith say -- on the one hand that...
...your Mormon gods endorse worshiping them per the conscientious dictates of even non-Mormons & that even non-Mormons are given the exact same "privilege" to "worship how, where, or what they may" as Mormons...?
...Yet you say that attempted things "given by man" (to God) are rejected outright as an 'abomination' by the Mormon gods all because it doesn't fit your "God gives to man" formula...
...which, btw, you can't even find a BoM/PoGP/D&C verse or Mormon leader to quote who's exported such a teaching as authoritative...

Is this StormPrepper 3:16...or can you actually say you got this teaching from a peculiar Mormonesque "scripture" or Mormon leader?

Where is your consistency here?

You are out of alignment even within your faith's "articles of faith"

And, as for the rest of you Mormons reading this: Are you just going to sit idly by while this fellow Mormon of yours shreds to pieces the 11th article of faith you say you adhere to???

Have you no public backbone?

What? You can't even register a mild "well, this is my interpretation of the matter & it may differ somewhat from Stormprepper?"

The "how" and "what" worship clause of the 11th article of faith of Mormons is wide-open with no caveats or qualifications. Yet StormPrepper the Mormon claims that because it's under the umbrella of something given by man to God, it's rejected by Him/them as an "abomination."

More religious hypocrisy at play here!

ALL: StormPrepper's assessment of The Apostles Creed:

Honestly, it's with out power...it's weak and pitiful. It doesn't advance our understanding of our relationship to God. It's apostate men trying desperately to hold on to the little knowledge they have.

Hmmm...

gotta wonder, then, of the Mormon gods' opinions of the prayers the apostle Paul uttered about his "thorn in the flesh":

5 Of such an one will I glory: yet of myself I will not glory, but in mine infirmities. 6 For though I would desire to glory, I shall not be a fool; for I will say the truth: but now I forbear, lest any man should think of me above that which he seeth me to be, or that he heareth of me. 7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. 8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. 9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in WEAKNESS. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am WEAK, then am I strong. (2 Corinthians 12:5-10)

May I say bluntly StormPrepper that I think you & many Mormons have wholly misunderstood the Gospel itself?

* Jesus said He didn't come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
* The apostle Paul elsewhere (Romans) said that while we were yet (WEAK pitiful) sinners, Christ died for us.

Paul gloried in his weaknesses...in his infirmities...in reproaches...in distresses...in persecutions...

Already in his first letter to the Corinthians, Paul told them: "And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling." (1 Cor. 2:3)

He didn't come as this as this strong perfect leader!

Do you not know the Christmas story enough that the Son of God came & immediately dirtied a diaper -- born in an animal manger in the cold of the night?

And it didn't stop there...

The apostle Paul went on to tell the Corinthians:

"For though he was crucified through WEAKNESS, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are WEAK in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you." (2 Cor. 13:4)

(Note: The "live with him by the power of God toward you" is a relationship lifestyle reference)

One of the key lessons of 1 Corinthian 1 is that God chooses the weak people of this world to shame the wise.

May I suggest that perhaps you've overlooked 1 & 2 Corinthians because Mormon leaders have bogged down its grassroots with all this added nonsense (BoM/D&C/an Egyptian funeral document)?

Why? Because they are given by man.

Yeah, Stormy; your church's CREED was given by man alright.

And it is SO precise in it's wording; too!

...and so forth

TWICE!!!

Here is MORMONism's own creed:

Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

1 Hearken, O ye people of my church, saith the voice of him who wells on high, and whose eyes are upon all men; yea, verily I say: Hearken ye people from afar; and ye that are upon the islands of the sea, listen together.

See, that does nothing for me. Whoever this is who "wells" on high can't be THE ONE Almighty God. As for the rest of the pseudo-Divine sounding words, it says nothing that the Bible doesn't say already and with a WHOLE lot more authority. For example:

Praise the Lord, you his servants; praise the name of the Lord.

Let the name of the Lord be praised, both now and forevermore.

From the rising of the sun to the place where it sets, the name of the Lord is to be praised.

The Lord is exalted over all the nations, his glory above the heavens.

Who is like the Lord our God, the One who sits enthroned on high, who stoops down to look on the heavens and the earth?

He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes, with the princes of his people.

He settles the childless woman in her home as a happy mother of children.

Praise the Lord.

Or, when the Apostle Paul addressed the people of Athens, he said, as recorded in Acts 17:22-31

God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things; And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead.

Now THAT speaks to my heart!