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To: daniel1212; redleghunter; smvoice; metmom; Iscool
>> who "commandeth all men every where to repent" as conditions for salvation. Acts 14:15; 17:30; 20:21<<

As a “condition for salvation”? Where did you get that “condition for salvation” phrase from? Paul didn’t preach a “condition for salvation”.

\ Paul taught that faith and righteousness precede doing anything.

Romans 4:1What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." 4 Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: 7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; 8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not count his sin." 9 Is this blessing then only for the circumcised, or also for the uncircumcised? We say that faith was counted to Abraham as righteousness. 10 How then was it counted to him? Was it before or after he had been circumcised? It was not after, but before he was circumcised. 11 He received the sign of circumcision as a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised. The purpose was to make him the father of all who believe without being circumcised, so that righteousness would be counted to them as well, 12 and to make him the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

Rom. 4:5, "But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness,"

Rom. 5:1, "therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,"

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Repentance is the result of the faith of Christ in us given through Grace of God. No one can say “I repented therefore I am saved”.

Paul when asked by the jailor “what must I do to be saved” said simply “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved – and your house”. If doing something is a “condition for salvation” then grace is no longer grace”.

Rom. 11:6, "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace."

296 posted on 11/26/2013 3:35:56 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear; daniel1212; redleghunter; Iscool
AMEN.

How is a person saved TODAY, in this dispensation of the grace of God? Where salvation is based on grace through faith in the finished work of Christ.

We are saved BY GRACE. That is God doing whatever He wants, even though we might not deserve it) through faith. It is a GIFT (a gift is something SOMEONE ELSE gives, because they care about you). It is NOT of works (work is doing something and expecting something in return-or getting paid for the effort expended). The gospel saves (gospel is a teaching and in this case it is a PARTICULAR TEACHING). The gospel is: Christ died FOR OUR SINS, He was buried, and He rose again.

I must believe that Christ died for our sins. If He died for our sins, I must conclude that I am a sinner and that He died for me. Rom. 3:23 states "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God." What does sin have to do with my being saved or not? "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Rom. 6:23. There has not been a Scripture listed that has said, or implied that you would have to "walk down an aisle for Jesus"; or "pray through until you receive the victory"; or "say you were sorry for your sin", or "repent". Scripture only said that one must acknowledge he is a sinner. And he is saved by recognizing that fact and also the fact that Christ died FOR HIS SINS, was buried and rose again. Your salvation is complete and secured, not by what YOU have done or don't do or do afterwards, but by what Jesus Christ has already done FOR YOU.

Sorry to be so simplistic here, but...

301 posted on 11/26/2013 4:07:57 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: CynicalBear; daniel1212; roamer_1; smvoice; metmom; Iscool
Repentance is the result of the faith of Christ in us given through Grace of God. No one can say “I repented therefore I am saved”.

Paul when asked by the jailor “what must I do to be saved” said simply “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved – and your house”. If doing something is a “condition for salvation” then grace is no longer grace”.

100% agree all verses you posted. By Grace through faith we are saved 100% correct. Saved from what? Our sins of course. What does the convicted heart speak when confronted with God's Holiness and knowing we fall short? We confess and repent. The Holy Spirit gives us that godly sorrow which leads to repentance which leads us to confessing Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of our lives.

God must lead us up Mt Sinai to show us we are lacking in order to fully understand the Gift of Grace from Mt Zion.

I can only speak for myself. When confronted with the Gospel I went to my knees and cried bitter tears and called upon God's Gift of His Son's Royal Holy shed Blood to cleanse me of my sins. The Holy Spirit convicted me of those sins and I confessed them all and repented and if there were sins I forgot about the yearning of the Holy Spirit squeezed them out thus making me a new creature. It was not a mathmatical formula of this before that, and then this, it happened and it all happened by God's Work, God's Grace.

So for me repent was not a work at all. By faith in His Grace, the Holy Spirit stuck my nose in my filth and tongue and heart rolled out the sins like it was "This was your Life." Baptism? our first motion as part of faith in action. Some people do it later like I did, but why wouldn't we get in the water at very least to emulate our Lord and Savior.

302 posted on 11/26/2013 4:24:18 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: CynicalBear
As a “condition for salvation”? Where did you get that “condition for salvation” phrase from? Paul didn’t preach a “condition for salvation”. \ Paul taught that faith and righteousness precede doing anything.

Of course he taught it, for the Scripture texts i supplied clearly shows this. The souls he told to "turn from these vanities unto the living God," and to repent and turn to God: (Acts 14:15; 17:30; 26:20) were not saved but lost.

This cannot be denied, and thus Paul did indeed preach repentance as a condition for salvation, and posting other texts does not refute this, and are not contrary to it.

For as too often explained, faith appropriates justification, versus works earning it, but faith itself signifies repentance, and thus by calling souls to repentance, to "turn from these vanities unto the living God" and that God "now commandeth all men every where to repent" then Paul is telling them to believe on the Lord Jesus, versus idols and what that basically signifies, not that works or a reformed life saves them. And calling them to be baptized is a call to call upon Christ in faith, confessing the Lord Jesus. More substantial than "say this prayer" though that is the norm today.

303 posted on 11/26/2013 4:28:13 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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